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BigGuns 07-29-2008 06:09 PM

Republic Cuts at Delta
 
DAL company email from today...

Remaining E135 aircraft will leave the fleet in September
July 29, 2008



We have agreed with Republic Airways Holdings, operator of Delta Connection carrier Chautauqua Airlines, to remove the final 11 E135 aircraft from service effective Sept. 30. The 37-seat planes originally were to be removed at a rate of two per month between November and April of next year. The planes are flown on routes out of our Cincinnati hub.

The move supports our objective to reduce fuel inefficient flying sooner that originally scheduled. The E135 cuts are part of our announced 13% domestic capacity reduction for this year.

HercDriver130 07-29-2008 06:21 PM

This is was already known. just happening much sooner than expected.

OlyRob 07-29-2008 06:41 PM

This is pretty old news...guess it is official but it seems like this has been known for awhile. Interesting to note that they will be bringing 2 170s on for the spring/summer 09

Roper92 07-29-2008 06:50 PM

Yeah bummer guys...How many 140/145s do you fly for Delta? I've been seeing a Delta Connection EMB-145 in IAH lately with RP on the end.

Oskeewowow 07-29-2008 07:10 PM

From the Rev on July 11th:

"I know so many of you have been praying for me and our management team to find the wisdom to get us through these extraordinarily difficult times and to avoid the need to take the very actions we are announcing today. Please know that we will continue to work hard to find solutions to the challenges our industry is facing, and we will not rest until we have all our people safely back to work."

So if he's really that concerned with people being furloughed, then why would he voluntarily accelerate the removal of these airplanes. I know the 135s aren't as efficient as their big brothers, but I don't think Delta & CHQ are losing that much money on them. It just frustrates me thinking that maybe, just maybe, I wouldn't be furloughed had they stuck with the original removal plan. (I am one of the more senior FOs being furloughed)

cbire880 07-29-2008 07:20 PM

He's concerned with the bottom line. I'm sure he'd rather not furlough since that is going to be expensive and a PITA training wise, but he'll do it without a second thought to protect the CPAs.

newarkblows 07-29-2008 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Oskeewowow (Post 435614)
From the Rev on July 11th:

"I know so many of you have been praying for me and our management team to find the wisdom to get us through these extraordinarily difficult times and to avoid the need to take the very actions we are announcing today. Please know that we will continue to work hard to find solutions to the challenges our industry is facing, and we will not rest until we have all our people safely back to work."

So if he's really that concerned with people being furloughed, then why would he voluntarily accelerate the removal of these airplanes. I know the 135s aren't as efficient as their big brothers, but I don't think Delta & CHQ are losing that much money on them. It just frustrates me thinking that maybe, just maybe, I wouldn't be furloughed had they stuck with the original removal plan. (I am one of the more senior FOs being furloughed)

could have been a behind closed doors meeting with Delta that went similar to XJT's.

delta: "we will cancel the CPA and are willing to fight this out in court"
xjt/chq: "not worth the expense for something gone in less then a year anyway"


I have no proof but i have a feeling it went something like that. Be thankful your company didnt fight a costly court battle

Rightseat Ballast 07-30-2008 03:01 AM

I think it went more along the lines of: Hey Bedford, we want these things gone soon. bb: sure, don't want these smaller RJs anymore anyway. DL: How about we cut 'em this fall. BB: Ok, but what is my incentive to end this contract early? You want to buy it out, or would you like some of these new toys I have on order in Brazil? DL: Not so sure. we would rather our RJ passengers fly on CRJs
BB: Do you read the Bible, Delta? There's this passage I have memorized. Ezekial 25:17. The path of righteous man is beset on all sides by the...
DL: Hey, we saw Pulp Fiction. Isn't this the part where...
BB: ..and you will know, I am the Lord, when I lay my vengence upon...
DL: 30! We'll take 30 195's! Just give us a few weeks to talk to our unions!
BB: That's what I thought. We'll have those 135's gone by October.

flycrj200 07-30-2008 04:33 AM

You can pretty much blame Freedom/Mesa for that one. Delta has give Freedom all the flying back that they have cancelled out of JFK and MCO. And since MCO is closed now, Delta had to give some of the flying out of CVG to Freedom. That’s why you guys are losing the flying sooner than what was planed. I hope none of you get furloughed because of this. It’s always the bottom feeder that screws the test of us. Good luck to all.

HercDriver130 07-30-2008 04:37 AM

It certainly didnt help matters any.... but they were slated to go ... now sooner than the later that was expected.

flycrj200 07-30-2008 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 435729)
It certainly didnt help matters any.... but they were slated to go ... now sooner than the later that was expected.


I understand your point, but if the reduction was implemented as planned, then you would have no need to furlough. The company would have time to assigned displaced pilots as the flying picks up again. It’s the sudden cancellation that results in furloughs. Thanks gain MESA.

P.S. I do not work for Republic, just voicing my opinion.

Stryker 07-30-2008 05:00 AM

flycrj, do you have a personal vendetta against Mesa? It seems that quite a few of your posts in many different threads are all bashing them....

flycrj200 07-30-2008 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 435733)
flycrj, do you have a personal vendetta against Mesa? It seems that quite a few of your posts in many different threads are all bashing them....

Nothing personal, just stating the facts.

John Pennekamp 07-30-2008 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Oskeewowow (Post 435614)
From the Rev on July 11th:

"I know so many of you have been praying for me and our management team to find the wisdom to get us through these extraordinarily difficult times and to avoid the need to take the very actions we are announcing today. Please know that we will continue to work hard to find solutions to the challenges our industry is facing, and we will not rest until we have all our people safely back to work."

All I can say is... wow.

As high up as he is in the Mormon Church, at least Jerry Atkin leaves his religion out of the workplace when he talks to us.

powrful1 07-30-2008 06:31 AM

You think that is bad, you should see his religious holiday messages!

OlyRob 07-30-2008 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 435730)
I understand your point, but if the reduction was implemented as planned, then you would have no need to furlough. The company would have time to assigned displaced pilots as the flying picks up again. It’s the sudden cancellation that results in furloughs. Thanks gain MESA.

P.S. I do not work for Republic, just voicing my opinion.


Its mainly the CAL CRJ's and the still homeless F9 170s that are causing it. Its basically a straight up 1 for 1 replacement for the DAL 135s/175s this fall.

higney85 07-30-2008 06:40 AM

As random as it is... I have no problem with religion in messages.... After all we are "One Nation Under God...."

But that's just me- 10 years ago if someone said "God Bless you" when a person sneezed it was replied with "thanks", now you need to stick with "Bless you" or you are using to much religion in the workplace.


Sorry for Republic, I can only hope that there are not any more cuts across the board- I know at least one friend that is looking for work from the last round over there. I am surprised more carriers are not trying to sign on Republic for the 170's. Did you guys get the 170's that were flying under the frontier banner in service with someone else?

G-Dog 07-30-2008 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Roper92 (Post 435603)
Yeah bummer guys...How many 140/145s do you fly for Delta? I've been seeing a Delta Connection EMB-145 in IAH lately with RP on the end.

The planes you see in IAH run from CVG. We starting do that route last month, I think.

As for the number 145s for DAL, we have 18 or so.

HercDriver130 07-30-2008 07:51 AM

I personally have no problem with the "religion" in his messages... ( fwiw, i recently left RAH for a corp gig ) ,,,, his HOLIDAY messages well...he does two... one more secular if you prefer and another more religious.... your choice to read either one....

RAH will be fine... they knew last year that the 135's were going... and yes this certianly is a push up of that timetable.... but as someone stated above the overage is more due to the mutual pulling of the frontier flying and has caused most of the turmoil.

paxhauler85 07-30-2008 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 435727)
You can pretty much blame Freedom/Mesa for that one. Delta has give Freedom all the flying back that they have cancelled out of JFK and MCO. And since MCO is closed now, Delta had to give some of the flying out of CVG to Freedom. That’s why you guys are losing the flying sooner than what was planed. I hope none of you get furloughed because of this. It’s always the bottom feeder that screws the test of us. Good luck to all.

Let me get this straight. Delta cancels our contract, possibly putting 300 of our pilots out of a job. We fight it in court, get a temporary injunction in our favor, and some flying gets re-instated.

We got screwed, fought it in a proper and legal way, and we're the bad guys?

What would you have us do? Turn down the re-instated flying and furlough our people?

Look to Delta with these concerns, since were all pawns in their chess game.

I don't understand why any DCI carrier is loyal to Delta, or trusts them as far as they can throw them. They've demonstrated they don't care about any of us or our contracts, but only about their shrinking needs.

SomedayRJ 07-30-2008 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 435760)
All I can say is... wow.

As high up as he is in the Mormon Church, at least Jerry Atkin leaves his religion out of the workplace when he talks to us.

:D


I don't understand why any DCI carrier is loyal to Delta, or trusts them as far as they can throw them.
Regionals should thank mainline a lot that they even exist in the BIG fashion that they do; after all, the whole "No B-Scale" thing may have been stopped at mainline, but there is a de facto B-scale operation going on with regionals doing increasingly more mainline flying with personnel costs that range from "inexpensive" to "bottom-basement". Regionals are more appropriately called major airlines these days—this is one place where the earlier generation gave up the store.

AFAICT, there's no sign of trouble on the SkyWest side of operations...parking 50-seaters or not, SkyWest does (and will continue to do!) a LOT of the flying that used to be Delta/Western Mainline out here on the left coast. I'd consider SkyWest fairly loyal to Delta—it's not like they would disappear without DAL's business, but it would get awfully quiet in Salty Lake and there would suddenly be a lot of extra CRJs and pilots. We have also seen how well regionals operating aircraft on their own, without mainline connections works (see: XJT).

mking84 07-30-2008 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by OlyRob (Post 435773)
Its mainly the CAL CRJ's and the still homeless F9 170s that are causing it. Its basically a straight up 1 for 1 replacement for the DAL 135s/175s this fall.

Really??? Didnt you guys have some problems flying those "bigger" RJs for DAL? Havent heard of anymore RJs going into the DAL system.

ToiletDuck 07-30-2008 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 435747)
Nothing personal, just stating the facts.

I work at RAH there's nothing factual about what you're saying.

SharkyBN584 07-30-2008 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 436137)
Really??? Didnt you guys have some problems flying those "bigger" RJs for DAL? Havent heard of anymore RJs going into the DAL system.

Here ya go:


UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549


Form 8-K


CURRENT REPORT


Pursuant to Section 13 OR 15(d) of The Securities Exchange Act of 1934




Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): July 29, 2008


Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)


Delaware
(State or other jurisdiction of incorporation)


000-49697 06-1449146
(Commission File Number) (IRS Employer Identification No.)


8909 Purdue Road
Suite 300
Indianapolis, IN 46268
(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)

Registrant’s telephone number, including area code (317) 484-6000


None.
(Former name or former address, if changed since last report.)




Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the filing obligation of the registrant under any of the following provisions (see General Instruction A.2. below):


¨ Written communications pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act (17 CFR 230.425)


¨ Soliciting material pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14a-12)



¨ Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 14d-2(b) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14d-2(b))



¨ Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 13e-4(c) under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.13e-4(c))




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Item 1.01 Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement.


On July 28, 2008, Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (the “Company”) and its wholly-owned subsidiaries, Chautauqua Airlines, Inc. (“Chautauqua”) and Shuttle America Corp. (“Shuttle”), entered into a letter agreement (the “Agreement”) with Delta Air Lines, Inc. (“Delta”).

The Agreement, among other things, provides for the advanced removal of the final eleven ERJ135 aircraft from the Delta Connection program. Three of these aircraft will be removed on August 1, 2008. In addition, four of these aircraft will be removed on each of September 1, 2008 and October 1, 2008.

The Agreement also increases the total number of ERJ170 aircraft to be operated under the Delta Connection program during the spring and summer of 2009.

Item 9.01 Financial Statements and Exhibits .



(d) Exhibits.




99.1 Press release dated July 29, 2008

(All other items on this report are inapplicable.)




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SIGNATURES




Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.


REPUBLIC AIRWAYS HOLDINGS INC.

Date: July 29, 2008 By: /s/ Robert H. Cooper
Name: Robert H. Cooper
Title: Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer














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Exhibit index

Exhibit Number Description


99.1 Press release announcing accelerated removal of E135 fleet

OlyRob 07-30-2008 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 436137)
Really??? Didnt you guys have some problems flying those "bigger" RJs for DAL? Havent heard of anymore RJs going into the DAL system.

well, 2 more as of yesterday.


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