For the soon to be Furloughed and Displaced Comair Pilots
07-30-2008, 12:06 PM
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For the soon to be Furloughed and Displaced Comair Pilots
Section 22, Subsection J
"Prior to a furlough, the Company and the Association will meet and confer to explore alternatives to the furlough such as Company Offered Leave of Absence, etc."
Well with the cola offered, I do not consider Less than 10% of the displacements and furloughs to be much of an "exploration" or and effort at all.
Where are the voluntary furloughs? Why is the "Association" in a ****ing contest with mgmt about things that we should not be worrying about? I understand that it makes SOME sense to try and get older issues fixed or what would be the purpose of making a new agreement with the company that they may not honor anyway. But really, we are talking about keeping a job here. WELL over 100 plus pilots are about to be trying to find a new way to feed themselves and their families soon. WHO CARES IF THE NEW SCHEDULING SYSTEM SUCKS....fix the job issues first!!!
So, since the Company and the Association have not lived up to my contract, I will be talking to a lawyer soon. If this lasts longer than a month, I think a lawsuit will be worth my time and effort, and I am only being displaced.
For those in this current goat rope, I would suggest doing the same. It is straight forward and simply put in the contract. I will be trying to recoup the difference in FO to CA pay for each month that this lasts. FO's should try to recoup their entire salary, as well as per diem, etc. If a voluntary furlough should magically appear, well this will then be a mute point.
Good luck to all, and to those affected at the other airlines as well.
"Prior to a furlough, the Company and the Association will meet and confer to explore alternatives to the furlough such as Company Offered Leave of Absence, etc."
Well with the cola offered, I do not consider Less than 10% of the displacements and furloughs to be much of an "exploration" or and effort at all.
Where are the voluntary furloughs? Why is the "Association" in a ****ing contest with mgmt about things that we should not be worrying about? I understand that it makes SOME sense to try and get older issues fixed or what would be the purpose of making a new agreement with the company that they may not honor anyway. But really, we are talking about keeping a job here. WELL over 100 plus pilots are about to be trying to find a new way to feed themselves and their families soon. WHO CARES IF THE NEW SCHEDULING SYSTEM SUCKS....fix the job issues first!!!
So, since the Company and the Association have not lived up to my contract, I will be talking to a lawyer soon. If this lasts longer than a month, I think a lawsuit will be worth my time and effort, and I am only being displaced.
For those in this current goat rope, I would suggest doing the same. It is straight forward and simply put in the contract. I will be trying to recoup the difference in FO to CA pay for each month that this lasts. FO's should try to recoup their entire salary, as well as per diem, etc. If a voluntary furlough should magically appear, well this will then be a mute point.
Good luck to all, and to those affected at the other airlines as well.
07-30-2008, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Latron
Is that note on EPIC considered official notice though? It says projected. If that isn't official, does anyone know what is? Are we supposed to get something mailed home, mailbox or what?
That "projected" list seems fishy to me.
07-30-2008, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PILOTGUY
Section 22, Subsection J
"Prior to a furlough, the Company and the Association will meet and confer to explore alternatives to the furlough such as Company Offered Leave of Absence, etc."
Well with the cola offered, I do not consider Less than 10% of the displacements and furloughs to be much of an "exploration" or and effort at all.
Where are the voluntary furloughs? Why is the "Association" in a ****ing contest with mgmt about things that we should not be worrying about? I understand that it makes SOME sense to try and get older issues fixed or what would be the purpose of making a new agreement with the company that they may not honor anyway. But really, we are talking about keeping a job here. WELL over 100 plus pilots are about to be trying to find a new way to feed themselves and their families soon. WHO CARES IF THE NEW SCHEDULING SYSTEM SUCKS....fix the job issues first!!!
So, since the Company and the Association have not lived up to my contract, I will be talking to a lawyer soon. If this lasts longer than a month, I think a lawsuit will be worth my time and effort, and I am only being displaced.
For those in this current goat rope, I would suggest doing the same. It is straight forward and simply put in the contract. I will be trying to recoup the difference in FO to CA pay for each month that this lasts. FO's should try to recoup their entire salary, as well as per diem, etc. If a voluntary furlough should magically appear, well this will then be a mute point.
Good luck to all, and to those affected at the other airlines as well.
"Prior to a furlough, the Company and the Association will meet and confer to explore alternatives to the furlough such as Company Offered Leave of Absence, etc."
Well with the cola offered, I do not consider Less than 10% of the displacements and furloughs to be much of an "exploration" or and effort at all.
Where are the voluntary furloughs? Why is the "Association" in a ****ing contest with mgmt about things that we should not be worrying about? I understand that it makes SOME sense to try and get older issues fixed or what would be the purpose of making a new agreement with the company that they may not honor anyway. But really, we are talking about keeping a job here. WELL over 100 plus pilots are about to be trying to find a new way to feed themselves and their families soon. WHO CARES IF THE NEW SCHEDULING SYSTEM SUCKS....fix the job issues first!!!
So, since the Company and the Association have not lived up to my contract, I will be talking to a lawyer soon. If this lasts longer than a month, I think a lawsuit will be worth my time and effort, and I am only being displaced.
For those in this current goat rope, I would suggest doing the same. It is straight forward and simply put in the contract. I will be trying to recoup the difference in FO to CA pay for each month that this lasts. FO's should try to recoup their entire salary, as well as per diem, etc. If a voluntary furlough should magically appear, well this will then be a mute point.
Good luck to all, and to those affected at the other airlines as well.
CALL YOUR GOD #**#&@# UNION REP.
As i posted the other day, THE LOA IN THE CONTRACT THAT TALKS ABOUT VOLUNTARY BEFORE INVOLUNTARY FURLOUGHS HAS EXPIRED. THAT IS NO LONGER VALID
LET ME REPEAT
IT IS NO LONGER VALID
ALPA HAS TO WORK ON GETTING ANOTHER LOA SIGNED WITH TH COMPANY.
Call your reps!
