Frontier E175's
 

I was in PIT yesterday, and there were 7 or 8 E175's there that had the RON kits installed and covers over the wheels like they were going to be there a while. Who's planes are these?

What did the paintjob look like?

They belong to Republic I think (or at least they lease them).

BTW, the kit installed is far more than the overnight kit. They are sealed up good. Even the tires are covered. They are there for the semi-long term.

They will be there until AA relieves scope and contracts Republic to fly them out of STL.

(Just a joke! Please Eagle, or American guys don't freak out on me!)

They are orphan 170's (not 175s) looking for a good home.. wanna adopt one?

I thought those were gods gift to the industry... parked for Q400's...??

Parked cause it is only a matter of time til F9 is gone for good

It turns out, actually, that the DeHavilland Canada Dash 8, in all shapes and sizes, is God's gift to the industry, regardless of what the passengers think about riding in turboprop airplanes. ;)

The -8 is sexier anyway.

I agree! The republic "mainline" guys will argue with you though.

Someone is a lil upset... they got their financing, they'll make it.

They could still be flying but pastor BB decided not to take the chance at running a loss, instead he wanted to furlough 176...all hail the prophet of good tidings!

was really hoping this thread was about Frontier Flying 175's under their own colors...as opposed to a regional doing it....damn....

Too late, Southwest is already going for the jugular in Denver.

Its my undertstanding that frontier was several months behind in their payments to RAH for the contract flying..... thus the reason the rev ran a preemptive strike....

I think F9 will continue to exist, but they might not be the same carrier that we know now.

Have they put forth their restructuring plan yet?

F9 owes us ~2.5 million dollars according to Republic director of operations.

Don't be so quick to count out F9 at the expense of SW...

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F9 did report record load factors each month for the past 4... over that period they have been flying the Airbus on the old E170 routes. Not bad considering the size of the airplanes they are flying on a 76 seat route.

Man, I like this guy..

Well, to show you why I like propeller airplanes (turboprop or not) so much:

http://screamingdolphin.net/imgs/this-is-me.jpg

(For details, please consult Vol. 44, No 9, Air Classics)

;) Long live propeller aircraft of any sort. And maybe I'm a little "old school"...

I rode a Mesa -8-200 (I think it was a -200, although all I remember is the tail number being N801HA or something ending in 1HA) from DRO to PHX a month or so ago. For ops like that, I prefer it to an RJ. It was 37C in Durango and, while the airplane wasn't full, it was 75% or greater with big heavy bags in back. No problem at all.

Too, there's a reason why outfits like Era in Alaska don't have any jets. When all the regionals got orgasmic about the RJ and unloaded their turboprops, Era snapped up a few -100s. It's arguably the only airplane that can do the mission that Era serves.

Also: the smartest regional carrier I know of is ditching their CRJs and going to all Q400s. Now, I'm not privy to the inner goings-on at Horizon, although I suspect that they have figured out that most RJs just aren't worth it for the missions they fly. (Consider SkyWest's Durango operation: it's CRJs to SLC and DEN. Isn't that overkill?)

Correction... They were parked because republic was costing WAY too much money.

Best decision F9 made. I am happy they went into Bankruptcy in some aspects because they replaced rj's with turboprops.

Hahahah... your management is smoking crack if they think they will ever see that.

Great move by F9, the market they need is perfect for the Q400, and the baby bus can the the 170 routes if needed... they'll be just. Great company and wish them the best.

Now to make thing even more interesting, it looks like Republic wants to give Frontier more money. Its a funny industry we work in, especially when the "regionals" are bailing out the "majors."

"Republic Airways, AQR Capital and Credit Suisse Commit up to $75 million"

Frontier Airlines Media Room - News Releases

I will be the nerd who says it... Those aircraft were 170's, not 175's.

They have been all penned up in the makeshift zoo in PIT until either someone buys them or someone rents them. Republic does not lease these aircraft. Why on earth Republic offered millions to F9 today is beyond me. I thought the relationship was over.

I'm thinking its because Republic didn't expect to see any of that money, seeing they were unrealized revenue from future operations as opposed to actual losses some of the creditors experienced.

So they decided to try and make some money off the situation, to take their lemons and make lemonade, so to speak. It might be a good decision, numerous airlines have made a whole bunch of money in these kinds of deals in the past, AWAC and USAirways comes to mind.

Perhaps you need to learn how a BK works. RAH isn't becoming a shareholder they are becoming a creditor. They want assets. You need to go take a look at how RAH got the 170s in the first place.

When US Air went into BK RAH gave US Air DIP financing just like here. They managed to secure assests by doing it which were the 170(or 175s I can't remember which one we fly for them) along with the gates in DCA. Later they turned around and now lease the gates back making good money. Let the rumors fly on if RAH is after aircraft lol.

There's one thing Bedford is good at and that's making money. Whether or not these decisions will end up being good/bad for the employment group who knows but the man does know how to put money in the company's wallet.

I don't know where they stand now but Frontier became limited on the routes they could use the Q400s because they didn't have oxygen masks. At least at the time. I'm not sure if they've fixed that issue or not.

Looks more like you're the one who’s been hitting the old pipe. :rolleyes:

I should add that I believe after this financing, I'll have to check, RAH will be the largest creditor. If things went to court the companies with the largest amount of money owed to them get the first say so in what they want. Be it gates, airframes, or a large chunk of the company(if it exits Bk). One way or another F9 has assets and RAH has money. Should F9 unfortunately not make it then RAH could come out gold.

Its been fixed, thus the flights to ASE, GJT, DRO.

Checko

The second paragraph drives it home.

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I typed that before I heard the news. I am sure RAH will get some money out of it now, whether F9 succeeds OR folds. They weren't going to get any otherwise. I didn't even think about RAH loaning money to Frontier since they were already off the property. Ol' BB is a smart dude!

I think one of the prime reasons was because F9 already owed RAH a nice chunk of change and being the largest creditor means BB gets first dibs. The more money they owe us the more assets he can try to grab. I'm curious which assets he wants.

F9 is only getting $100m from a venture capital company in the DEN area. That sounds like a lot of cash but not when you're running an airline. Besides the Teamsters are trying to shoot down the recipt of the money.:confused:

They are ditching Perseus for this new deal.
It isn't just RAH giving them money, its them and two other groups.

good ting too... with the other deal from Perseus, they could have ended up owning the controling majority of the company if things went south. Can you say liquidation of assests!:eek:

Lets hope F9 can take all the cash it has flowing in now and get a profit going. I honestly have good feelings about the place.