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Who is flying the all white planes with blue engines and no livery?

I know at one time CHQ operated all white ERJ's with blue tails.

What shade of blue was it? Could be an Airways or Delta Conx carieer.

Also do you know what type of aircraft this is?

Sun Country had a few I believe leased or bought used 737s running around earlier this year painted that way. Could be one of those.

CHQ has a couple of airplanes with a white body and blue tail/engines. They are used to cycle between codeshares, typically to 'replace' an airplane that goes into mx.

I think S5 also has one or two of em. I know we also have a 170 painted in a Republic Airways scheme.

If you ignore the tail and titles, that sounds almost like Finnair.


Or Central Intelligence. ;)

*is black-bagged and hustled off*

i was told by a ASA FO on a jumpseat to MSP that it was Republic and they dont paint there planes cause that allows them to move aircraft around to all the carriers they fly for in case they need a spare.

I think we at TSA have one with only a blue stripe....but it says Trans States Airlines on it in big letters....

It looks cheap and tasteless in my opinion. At least paint them in your company's colors! But then again I wouldn't expect anything different from a management team that tries to milk the operation for every dollar in the name of the Lord!!!!

colgan's got our black and white saab that was intended to be a star alliance airplane but they never asked if they could paint one in those colors and united was not happy bout that so its just black and white now, lol

well, that didn't take long... i have no idea what our official company colors actually are, but i would think them to be white and blue...unless you meant to paint the airplanes with actual titles, in which case, i'd have to agree. i wish we'd paint those planes to at least look like they made an effort. oh well...won't lose any sleep over it.

We can't paint them in our company's colors because we don't have any and we fly for more than one codeshare. It's called diversifying. We need a generic colored aircraft to fly among the different codeshares while an aircraft is down for it's annual checks. Part of the price the company pays to be in the black every month instead of the red. Obtaining the cheapest operating cost is what differs those operating in the black and those tap dancing on bankruptcy. Lets focus on the things that don't really matter!

Was going out of LGA today. Saw E145's all white with a bright blue (royal blue maybe) tail and engines, and over at the Delta Shuttle saw what looked like E170's all white with the same royal blue engines and tails. No other markings whatsoever.

So, but keeping the aircraft generic with no affiliation whatsoever, you can use the same equipment to codeshare with many airlines....

so, the reason that real companies can not "run in the black" as you say is that they are facing unfair competition from fly by night carrier's such as these using a single aircraft to service multiple contracts.... something the branded, or in livery companies can not do. So, what your really saying is that the companies doing this are the prime examples of leading the race to the bottom and allowing management to prositute our profession.

Thank you for the explanation.... now that I understand it, which airline is it that's doing this?

Nope I never said any of that. I'm saying every little bit helps. You cut a bunch of corners here and there and what you'll end up with is a company operating for less price per seat mile without sacrificing pilot pay while other companies are wondering why they are broke.

If what you wrote is what you think I typed then sorry you don't understand anything. It's ok though it's fun! Nothing like constant justification even after the fact!!!! It's like someone on welfare telling me I'm poor because I don't own a flat screen TV!

Enjoy Eagle!!!!

I'm not too big on religion myself, but there are far worse motivations to be found in management teams. Some of them have moral philosophies which are flat-out satanic...

There is nothing wrong with painting a maintenance spare in generic colors. It is not feeding the race to the bottom. It is, in fact, a vote of confidence in our ability to maintain aircraft, needing only a handful of spares to cover multiple airlines' needs. Republic does operate an aircraft in Republic colors. Shuttle America has the blue birds, as does CHQ. Those planes also serve as charter aircraft.

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As Malcom Reynolds of Firefly once put it, though:

"Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God."

What's worse than borderline/flat-out satanic management is management who think they're right with the Almighty, in whichever form.

Um, Skywest has a few generic -200's in and out of ORD, and I'm not talking about the "Pepsi Can" paint scheme either.

It just looks really, really bad. I keep hearing people say these are just "spare" planes for when others are down for MX.... well, from what I've seen so far, they are being used regularly/daily, and it looks like crap.

Who's certificate are they on? How does that work with the capacity purchase agreement. I mean, if the CPA is with CHQ, but the "generic" plane isn't on CHQ's certificate... how does that work? everybody just turning a blind eye to a shuttle generic spare showing up to cover a CHQ flight? How does that work on your contract? I know you guys are all on the same pilot seniority list, but how does it cover flying an airplane on a different certificate? or are all planes on one certificate and leased to each individual carrier? Lots of questions... anybody with real answers.

It does sound like an interesting way to have to have fewer spare planes around...

If it saves money, why not let multiple airlines chip in and buy a few spares, and form a leasing/rental company. So, when your airline needs a spare, call the rental company.... when done, send it back, and let the next airline use it. Then you could spread the cost of spares out over more than just a few carriers. It is the next logical step.... right?

What about these crew companies now. Don't see it much in the US, but there are tons of companies hiring pilots, that then contract them out to foreign carriers for 1-5 year contracts.

How soon, before you have to check your schedule and see which set of wings and hat you are wearing today..... United Express, USAir Express, or your American Connection.

If it is an ERJ-135/140/145 type A/C, it would be on CHQ cert. 170's are S5 or RW only. A "Shuttle generic spare" would not be used on a CHQ route, as it is the wrong type of A/C.

Ok, so it is CHQ using CHQ spares for CHQ contracts.... not the parent company having generic spares to cover at all of their subsidiary regionals. That makes a bit more sense.... so each carrier has it's own generic spares..... to use covering multiple contracts.

It still looks cruddy though.

That's because they are always being used as there are always aircraft going down for their annual checks. One day it might be a CAL bird, the next DAL, couple days later to could be AMR, then United, then US air. Much more efficient to use one bird to replace mx birds than five of them.

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There's a difference between a 170 and E145. If a 145 needs to be replaced they use it there. If a 170 needs to be replaced then they use the spare 170.

RAH owns its aircraft save the CRJs. That's like asking why it's cheaper to own a car rather than go to enterprise and rent one for the year. As you said the aircraft are constantly in use. After a certain point it's much cheaper to own. Secondly 145 aren't the easiest to find these days.

You wear the same uniform for all flying. I print my pairing and go to that flight. If it's AMR I go to C concourse if it's CAL I go to A concourse.

RAH is a holdings company. Republic, Shuttle, and Chautuaqua are three different certificates.

CAL has scope so you can't exactly show up with a 70+ seat Ejet just because one of yours went down. They aircraft stay within their own certificate. However as mentioned CHQ flies for 5 different codeshares so either use one aircraft(two actually) to cover all five or get five different aicraft and pay an arm and a leg to have each one painted. Why waste millions of dollars?

Obtaining the cheapest operating cost as you say, is what's going to drive Mesa into bankruptcy! It's also what turned them into the biggest liability in the industry, under-cutting the better contracts....is that what you want out of your company? Legacy's are not just looking for cheapest, they're looking for the quality of the product...once again look at what Delta is doing!

You ever seen the face of a passenger in IAH when they're boarding into one of those color-less monstrosities? I've deadheaded in them a couple of times, and it's pretty comical! At that point they're not even sure who they're flying on, and you hear them in the back "I thought I bought a ticket on Continental?". Pretty humorous! I blame your ceo, not you or your pilot group.

RAH is not the only regional that does this.

I've non-rev'd several times on Skywest in their "Pepsi Can" paint scheme on a United Express flight. The pax couldn't figure out what was going on.

So you're equating saving a few million by not using 5 different aircraft in 5 different paint schemes to Mesa and their contract violations/employment issues?

Are you sure it wasn't you who went to the CAL terminal, spoke to the CAL gate agent, looked at your CAL ticket, climbed abored an aircraft and heard the CAL flight announcement and yet still wondered where you were? :rolleyes:

You may find it commical but it's common practice for those that fly for multiple codeshares. It's not what makes someone "the biggest liability in the industry".

Agreed Not trying to sink to your level or speak against any company by any means I just wanted to show the irony/koolaid in your posting.

PS have you seen those "Aquafresh" paintjobs rolling around?:eek:

Aesthetically speaking, they look awful and it speaks volumes of the management teams that don’t even have the vision to pick a livery to represent the company. Quality of the product accounts for the whole package including the presentation of the product, and based on the DNU at CAL it seems to be a reflection of the performance factor as well. Funny thing, I tend to believe the stats, and the comments by the passengers, more than that of 1st year f/o’s at the company in question.

At this juncture I feel compelled to point out that regardless of how ugly the airplane looks, the paint is there to protect the airplane's skin, not make you feel all happy inside. :)

Wow, what is the brand/company pride/loyalty like when you do that all day, every day...

No wonder people hate flying so much nowadays...

Really, is that why American's planes are just bare metal with a few painted stripes?

The paint is there my friend because there is so much composites and plastics all over the CRJ and EMB that leaving it bare metal would look extremely bad. Look at how desperate they are to save weight. There is at least 50 pounds of paint (if not more) on these RJ's... that 50 pound loss would add up to a nice yearly fuel savings per plane...

They have paint on them because they have to, that's why.