Eagle Accident @ BNA
 

Couldn't find any news articles (Probably a good thing) but EGF 600 DCA-BNA landed today and blew all four main tires on RWY 2C currently still on the runway waiting for new tires before it can be towed to mx hanger. BNA is down to one RWY, 2L-20R. No news on what caused the tires to blow but first thoughts are that the brakes locked up on landing. Crew didn't want to comment to us rampers until an investigation was done. No injuries and the pax were evacuated through overwing emergancy exits. More info to come as I get it.

didnt express do this a few years back as well?

Confirmed - In flight checks of the Parking Brake are discouraged. You know how forgetful pilots are.

"Hmm, what does this do?" *PULL* :rolleyes:

Speculation is not encouraged. And shame on you for thinking someone was just pulling a lever for fun.

Usually the hydraulic fluid gets transferred from one system to the other due to the improper setting of the parking brake over a long period of time. After takeoff, the gear uses quite a bit of fluid causing one hydraulic system to get into the yellow, while the other is completely full. the 135, 140, and 145's can transfer hydraulic fluid by pushing the toe brakes and setting the parking brake and releasing if you want to do this move about 100 times to transfer the fluid back where it came from and even the fluid quantities between both systems. Though its not a good practice, Ive seen it done many times in flight, and unfortunately crews have locked up the brakes or forgot to release the parking brake before landing.

Im not saying this is what happened, but I wanted to speak up since some idiot who posted before this hinted that a crew member might have been playing with levers for no reason.

Have a nice day.

Good call by the crew.

oh jeez I've been doing flight a lot lately. Glad it wasn't me. Fortunately nobody was hurt. Wonder if that was why I never got a plane to JFK last night and it cx'd.

Why would this be an 'accident'? It is an incident sure, but not an accident.

Ask the ramper that started the thread.Then he wonders why the crew didn't want to comment.:rolleyes:

Some people take themselves too seriously... no speculation, the "confirmed" was that XJT had more than one land with the brake on.

At least they didn't attempt to power through the rollout. I saw one in El Paso do that when they got the nose stuck in the mud. They didn't need Air Stairs to unload the passengers.

:)

I was thinking the same thing :cool:

thats no fun, kinda the reason i don't even touch that pesky lil pull knob in flight....Can remember photos of a 190 (think that's what it was) that blew all the tires, and ground down one of the wheel hubs to the axle. Has been said before that people occasionally use it as a memory item to (turn off the x-feed, etc) but, i'd just assume to use the card holder of the dash instead, no ill effects if i land with it out....the other one, people will notice.

Pretty sure it was only once

Landing, takeoff, In-flight, & a damaged aircraft. NTSB830 for ref.

Blown out tires aren't "substantial damage"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...0/aopaquiz.jpg

Shoulda flared...

And for the record 830.5 says—
The operator of any civil aircraft...shall immediately...notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (Board) field office when:
(a) An aircraft accident, or any of the following listed incidents occur:
(1) Flight control...failure;
(2) [Crew member incapacitation]
(3) [Structural failure of a turbine engine excluding compressor/turbine blades/vanes]
(4) In flight fire;
(5) Aircraft collide in flight;
(6) Damage to property other than the aircraft...exceed[ing] $25,000...;
(7) [Additional incidents for heavy aircraft including electrical or hydraulic, and emergency evacuations].

You're assuming the brakes were locked. You're also assuming that with 4 blown out main tires there was no other damage to anything else.... IE - Rims. Besides, a 121 carrier popping the over wing emergency exits and emergency evacking and leaving a runway closed for hours will certainly get somebodys attention and require some form of paperwork.

Paperwork and a good @$$ chewing but probably not an accident. 4 popped tires don't fall in the accident category. You are correct, if anything else was damaged it could be an accident. I know a pilot that taxiied under a short hangar and damaged the tail and that was considered an accident due to the cost of the repair. So if any structural damage happened it could be an accident, otherwise it is an incident.

It was a Mid-Atlantic 170 in IAH, and they were trying the same trick about transferring hydraulic fluid.

Didn't work.

Accident? Drama queen.

todd1200.
That was it, thanks for the backup. Guess we can wait and see how the NTSB classifies. I'll bet 'incident'

Honest to GOD!
 

We really had a POS do this at ASA several yrs ago, and (no sh-t) the guy got to be a Chief Pilot!!!!! He then got to be the system Chief Pilot and then VP of ops!!! No Kidding!

-Landed with the parking brake set, because he was damn fool enough to clean under it in flight-which necessitated setting the brake. He then, of course, forgot to release that sucker, and fun times ensued!

-Just Damn!

I assume this was the ATR, because such a thing is not possible in the CRJ. Well, it is, but it isn't. Try it....you'll see what happens

Ok "Incident". I didn't use the word accident to add drama, it is simply the word that came to mind as I was posting. Forgive me if I was a little tired after what I would consider a pretty stressful day for the ground personel. BNA is a fairly small outstation that requires the ground crew to be cross trained between gate/ramp/ops so not only was I involved in the immediate response as well as helping the pax who were supposed to take that plane back to DCA but also in coordinating with MOC, Dispatch, and airport ops. I did not post this to criticize the crew or bring bad press to the situation I just wanted to hear thoughts from people in the business about the incident.

To the one who commented about the crew not wanting to talk to me as a ramper...the FO did comment as to what he thought caused the tires to blow but said I should not comment to anyone about what that was until the company could investigate it, and I completly agree, that's why I said they didn't comment. I can say that the mx crew was saying they would have to disable the brakes beofore the A/C could be towed which would lead me to believe the brakes were locked before touchdown by other means than the cockpit parking brake handle. Again, I don't know that for sure, just my thoughts. I think the crew did an amazing job with the situation. The FA who is still on reserve was said to have the pax off in about 1 min time using the 2 over wing exits. The pax were completely de-planed before we were even notified that something was wrong.

Again, I am just looking for professional opinions from those who are familiar with the aircraft and its systems as to what they think caused this "Incident".

In defense to wrf2e, the book definition of accident is an unforseen incident. Therefore, since a ramper is NOT a crewmember, he/she is permitted to use the human definition of accident/incident interchangebly, rather than the official aviation definition. Just a thought.

Oh u silly Barbie jet drivers.... I guess everything's not AUTO/ON in those things! LOL

Nope. Try again. There is nothing about the 170 that allows you to do that. I see you have E-170 on your profile. Do you actually fly that airplane? If you do, surely you heard the correct story in ground school...

Anytime an airplane blows 4 tires on touchdown at 140 knots, you are probably going to damage the brakes/rims in some way, making it impossible to tow without tinkering with some part of the brake system.

wrf2e,
My original post on the distinction was not meant as a slam. Was being technical to a fault I suppose. Understand your usage as simply talking about the event. Don't know a thing about the technical aspects of the a/c in question, so will leave that to others. <g>

I disagree:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...kingBreak4.jpg

I didn't mean that you can't blow all four tires with the parking brake set. I was referring to the transfer of hydraulic fluid like the E-145. It doesn't work that way on the E-170.

My favorite picture of that incident was the one where the strut is not connected to the airplane anymore but they still put the gear pin in for the tow.

Ask and you shall receive.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...kingBreak5.jpg