Originally Posted by Mason32

Spoken like a true 400 hour wonder. I'd take the guy/gal with 1500TT and 100 Rotor. He/she has seen more then the 400 hour know it all.

There is a reason the 135 rules require 500TT for day VFR and 1200TT for IFR to fly a simple 172 delivering packages or people.... it is single pilot, and with less than that level of experience most typically have not developed a high level of aeronautical decision making. The reason 121's can hire 400 hour wonder kids is because they are not in command, and by the time they do get to be in command (hopefully) they will have seen enough, and learned enough to be able to make sound decisions.

Are there stories of people doing 1400 hours in a 150 in day VFR doing traffic reporting or things like that... absolutely it happens... and typically those planes are not the best maintained, and those folks have dealt with their share of emergencies... however, the vast majority of folks with the 1500 hour plus, have been doing much more significant type of flying, in a multitude of different equipment types.

Do "new" pilots have a slight advantage at flying the video game? Sure they do, they were raised playing video games... however, these same wonder kids are not better then a more seasoned pilot with the crap hits the fan. I have seen, and heard, of many new guys basically freezing up when the master caution, or master warning went off in flight... they became virtually useless to their Captains.

The guys that you are disparaging tend to be more calm in those situations... in fact, I sat next to one guy, who when something very unexpected happened... started laughing, and said "hey, look at that; ok, AOM volume 1, XYZ checklist." It was much easier to work as a team with somebody who had dealt with emergencies in the past, than to teach the new kid that the plane isn't going to fall out of the sky unless you let it, so grab the cheklist.

The aeronautical decision making of the recent batch of new hires at most airlines seems to be fairly consistant... they are not thinking ahead of the airplane and are still working at seminole speeds. This will get cured in time... I hope. I do know our IOE instructors have been complaining that they used to provide orientation to airline ops, and pointers and techniques to make the systems work better for pax comfort and stuff liek that... now they say they are teaching how to fly. IOE has gone from 25 hours to 75 hours... and the line Capt's are having problems with the newbies too.

Moral of the story.... new isn't always better.

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

Maybe so. But what about violations??

Originally Posted by stobelma

The school I learned and instructed at had a larger book of regulations than the current airline I work for. So PIC decision making......you don't get to make too many decisions whether you are a student or an instructor when it is clearly spelled out for you what you are required to do.

Originally Posted by stobelma

Interaction.....well seeing you are taught to fly as a single pilot and teach people to fly as a single pilot.....there is not much of that going on at all. I could get better person to person skills doing a lot of other things than just flying an airplane. We interact with people daily and whether it is inside or outside the airplane, it is all the same in my eyes.

Originally Posted by stobelma

On to stick and rudder. Flying a piper warrior is much different that a transport category aircraft. You operate them differently and fly them differently, yes the aerodynamics are the same but smoothness and accuracy is part of your commercial checkride and if you can not do that....then obviously you should not have passed.

Originally Posted by stobelma

The broader message of my last post was that if the option to go to an airline is there.....take it. Do not be one of those people who miss the opportunity and have to sit around for the next couple years instructing to most likely end up at the same place they could have been years ago. If instructing is your only option at the time....by all means do that to keep flying.

I will not attack you, your abilities to comprehend, or your maturity but like you said.....we will probably never agree......

Originally Posted by SkyHigh

Plenty of airline accidents have been blamed on an old timer becoming complacent as well as not so old timers becoming complacent, however I have never heard of one being blamed on lack of experience.

Skyhigh

Originally Posted by Zapata

This is a perfect example and an illustration of your inexperience. The PIC is the PIC, period. Saying that "you don't get to make to many decisions....clearly spelled out for you what you are required to do" is abject nonsense. You have much to learn about the concept of Pilot In Command.


So, what's your point? Sure they're different. However, there is a transfer of experience in regard to stick and rudder. One Commercial checkride hardly contributes to how one flys the aircraft in an emergency. However, experience does.


The broader message is that you said there is zero difference between an experienced CFI and a relatively fresh flight school grad when it comes to both being new-hires at an airline. I'm in the training department at my employer and although we don't hire flight school grads, I see the difference experience makes at almost every training session.

Actually, we will probably agree.....after you get some years under your belt. Not attacking you either but you have much to learn.

Originally Posted by saab2000

WHAT????? You have GOT to be kidding!! What is CRM? CREW Resource Management Or Cockpit Resource Management........................................ ...If the cockpit of an airliner is not the place for CRM, then there is no place for it. The cockpit of an airliner is not a dictatorship.

Originally Posted by mooney

Saab I thing you misread zapata's post....he doesn't say crm doesn't belong in the cockpit, he says it also applies to situations outside the airline cockpit, as I read it...