Pilot hiring cycle?
#51
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and you won't.... it is not the policy of the NTSB nor the FAA to inform the public that virtually unqualified people are being hired into the airlines.
instead they will blame it on things such as poor crew management during a critical phase of flight.... lack of sufficient rest and the crew not calling fatigued....
#52
Well, I have 1,600 hours, 1,000 part 121 jet time and I can tell you that I am not ready to fly left seat at this point. If I could do it and be guaranteed that all would run textbook, I'd do it and be perfectly fine. But just the last trip I went on, we had to cancel the approach due to high winds and an encroaching storm cell. Some other airplanes had just gotten in, and the controller cleared us to land and said winds 220 25g33. Capt said, "Let's get the hell out of here". And off we went. If I was by myself, would I have made that decision? Probably. But, it was the first time I'd seen that happen.
Second thing, same trip, we were in a similar situation. A storm cell was coming in towards the field and it was a matter of timing whether we could squeeze in or not. We cancelled the approach again this time, got vectored around for a bit, then came back about 15 minutes later for another go. ATC cleared us for the approach (I was flying) and the captain caught the fact that another airplane had been cleared for the approach about the same time. Most of the time, at least for the newbies, if ATC says something, its right! However, the captain said, "This just isn't going to work". I assumd he was talking about the weather. Sure enough, ATC catches on and tells us to break off the approach. Turns out a KingAir was joining up above us and the spacing was all screwed up. Again, would I have caught it if I wasn't flying? Probably, but who knows?
My point is, it does take time to see things go abnormally. Having solid situational awareness comes with time. Raw talent goes a long way, but experience will take it from there. My talent got me the job, made me pass the checkride (and pass my probie reccurent), and makes me a pretty solid FO. However, I am still building the required experience and I am not afraid to put cockiness aside and be humble about it. Airplanes can humble you VERY quickly. My first private pilot instructor told me that and I've seen this happen on occasion over the last 10 years of flying.
Second thing, same trip, we were in a similar situation. A storm cell was coming in towards the field and it was a matter of timing whether we could squeeze in or not. We cancelled the approach again this time, got vectored around for a bit, then came back about 15 minutes later for another go. ATC cleared us for the approach (I was flying) and the captain caught the fact that another airplane had been cleared for the approach about the same time. Most of the time, at least for the newbies, if ATC says something, its right! However, the captain said, "This just isn't going to work". I assumd he was talking about the weather. Sure enough, ATC catches on and tells us to break off the approach. Turns out a KingAir was joining up above us and the spacing was all screwed up. Again, would I have caught it if I wasn't flying? Probably, but who knows?
My point is, it does take time to see things go abnormally. Having solid situational awareness comes with time. Raw talent goes a long way, but experience will take it from there. My talent got me the job, made me pass the checkride (and pass my probie reccurent), and makes me a pretty solid FO. However, I am still building the required experience and I am not afraid to put cockiness aside and be humble about it. Airplanes can humble you VERY quickly. My first private pilot instructor told me that and I've seen this happen on occasion over the last 10 years of flying.
#53
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I will take QUALITY over QUANITY ANYDAY!!! How ever that adds up in the logbook doesn't matter to me. A low time pilot versus and high time pilot can be equally as dangerous if they believe they KNOW it all because one feels that they have more knowledge or experience than the other because they have more ink in their logbooks. Hence....CRM....because one person does not have all the answers.
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