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Releasemaster 08-13-2008 03:40 PM

Mesa and Delta not sitting in a tree
 
Okay, so the spoof of an old nursery rhyme might night sound that good...but, check this out:


And We're Keeping Your Engines too!
Mesa sues Delta to recover engines
Compiled from Herald News Services
Published: Saturday, August 09, 2008

Mesa Air Group Inc., a regional airline that flies mostly for larger carriers, sued Delta Air Lines Inc. to retrieve seven jet engines being held "hostage" in a financial dispute.
Without the engines, worth $25 million, Mesa would be forced to ground some flights if one of its 180 planes needs unscheduled maintenance. That, in turn, may jeopardize Mesa's contracts as a regional carrier for commercial airlines, including Delta, Mesa said in court papers filed Aug. 6 in U.S. District Court in Phoenix, Ariz.
Mesa said that the engines are being held because Delta is unhappy with a former maintenance agreement the two companies had until it was cancelled in June.
"Delta has stated to Mesa that it will continue to hold the engines as 'leverage' until all disputes are resolved," Phoenix- based Mesa claimed in its lawsuit.

Source: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...9-2b520d2b9479

rickair7777 08-13-2008 03:45 PM

I'm impressed with ma delta...nice to see somebody has the cajones to stick it to OJ.

AirWillie 08-13-2008 03:52 PM

Either way I think it's fair to say Mesa is going to lose to Delta sooner or later and once they file BK it won't be so pretty for them. Management deserves it.

cfii2007 08-13-2008 04:13 PM

JO....OJ........classic!!!!!!!!!!

stobelma 08-13-2008 05:02 PM

I have no experience with Mesa, but from what I have heard about them......they will probably try to go on one engine anyway......

Colnago 08-13-2008 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by stobelma (Post 443967)
I have no experience with Mesa, but from what I have heard about them......they will probably try to go on one engine anyway......

Funniest thing yet. :D

SomedayRJ 08-13-2008 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by cfii2007 (Post 443947)
JO....OJ........classic!!!!!!!!!!

It works out the same. :D

Seeing as how Mesa, erm, I meant Freedom currently has, what, seven CRJ-900s leased from Delta for about $1/year, I think hanging on to $25 million of engines is pretty reasonable...

Hot Rod Wannabe 08-13-2008 07:06 PM

Near sighted self interest
 

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 443936)
I'm impressed with ma delta...nice to see somebody has the cajones to stick it to OJ.

Rick,
Did you ever think about any of the pilots that are held hostage by Delta's actions? JO may have been a lot of things, but right now he is busting his backside as well as all the employees of Mesa so that they may have a job. So how about some slack.....?

cessna157 08-13-2008 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 444045)
So how about some slack.....?

Tell that to the pilots of Aloha Airlines

flyandive 08-13-2008 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 444045)
Rick,
Did you ever think about any of the pilots that are held hostage by Delta's actions? JO may have been a lot of things, but right now he is busting his backside as well as all the employees of Mesa so that they may have a job. So how about some slack.....?

:D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA :D
No I think he's just fighting for his job, because after this... He'll be in prison!

Please, for your sake, you meant this as flamebait, right?

JetJock16 08-13-2008 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 444045)
Rick,
Did you ever think about any of the pilots that are held hostage by Delta's actions? JO may have been a lot of things, but right now he is busting his backside as well as all the employees of Mesa so that they may have a job. So how about some slack.....?

Easy Hot Rod, Rick's former Mesa current SKW and I'm sure he cares about what happens to their pilots but JO's got to go one way or another. This is business and if you're going to get behind a regional for losing flying then it should have been XJT, AWAC, Horizontal, Skyway, TSA or anyone else who has ever lost and "F" their pilots. Bottom line, this is what happens when you fly someone else’s routes.

Oh and I agree with cessna157:

Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 444052)
Tell that to the pilots of Aloha Airlines

I wish the best for all pilots but JO's got to go!

mesasurvivor 08-13-2008 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 444045)
Rick,
Did you ever think about any of the pilots that are held hostage by Delta's actions? JO may have been a lot of things, but right now he is busting his backside as well as all the employees of Mesa so that they may have a job. So how about some slack.....?

This guy is a Mesa management stooge. He has been posting pro-OJ stuff all over the board. Next time, don't be so obvious.

CaribPilot 08-14-2008 03:30 AM

Talk about getting it without any vaseline....

rickair7777 08-14-2008 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe (Post 444045)
Rick,
Did you ever think about any of the pilots that are held hostage by Delta's actions? JO may have been a lot of things, but right now he is busting his backside as well as all the employees of Mesa so that they may have a job. So how about some slack.....?

I left mesa after too many years for a lateral move when I realized that the pilot group would probably not stand up for themselves AGAIN in 2007. I do feel bad for some of my friends who have been there for years, but I have a hard time feeling much for anyone who showed up in the last 2-3 years...if they had been a little less eager to check their dignity and self-respect at the door, then maybe OJ would have had to treat me (and about 1000 other recent LAMAs) better so as to retain our services. Novel concept...

The ironic thing is that whatever improvements you DO get are likely due to the actions of those who left, not because of those who stayed...OJ knows he will not survive another mass exodus if hiring picks up again in the near future.

Ideally the company will self-inflict enough damage to force the flushing of the current management team, but still provide jobs for at least those who have been there too long to get out.


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