Mesa Ta Rejected
 

Just got word from the MAG MEC that the TA was rejected by the MEC and will not be sent to the pilot group!:D

Stick it to JO!

Why?
 

Why was the TA rejected? It was only a two year contract anyway!:confused:
The Union better be smart or they will all be out of a job and then they can all blame each other.:cool:

sounds like someone whose never been beaten down by an airline. two year contract, but you think they'll "improve" it by the amendable date. i think not.

New Contract???
 

:D
here is what I heard that the historical bid was being changed to better or min bid. don't know if it is true, but thought I would stir the pot;)

Ever tried petting the sheep in your avatar? It looks just like JO.

The TA contained some improvements such as:
Block or Better
"Modest" hourly pay increase
75% Deadhead
Increase in per diem to CPI (if anyone knows what that is please tell)
PBS with strong union input

The weaknesses were:
PBS is a monthly bid system in contrast to Mesa's 28 days bid cycle. A modest pay raise may actually not be a raise since Mesa runs 13 bids a year now vs. 12 with PBS. There was not a provision for more days off. The TA would actually result in working 20 more days per year. I have not read the TA as the pilot group has not seen it, but this is what I've been told by someone who has read it.

To Mesa pilots,
Don't settle for less than you deserve. Think like Mesa's management would when reading the TA. No "to the extent possible" language.

Cpi
 

CPI stands for Consumer Price Index, basically they want the per diem to go up by the rate of inflation.

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Congratulations to the Mesa MEC for showing a little backbone in the face of a scumbag managment proposal.

J.O. is desperately trying to get the stock price up above a buck by the end of the year to keep from having the stock delisted. He figures a B.S. pilot deal will get the price up and get the heat off him.

The MEC realized that the 2 year deal will stick for 5 by the time it is all said and done. and the pilot group was about to get screwed again.

Increase in minimum days off, more pay, trip and duty rigs. Nothing else matters, so don't give in. Make J.O. sweat a little bit....he will come snivelling back with another "great deal" soon.

Sounds like one of J.O.'s management puppets up at the Crystal Palace or someone who is either terribly uninformed or is hitting the crack pipe pretty hard:eek:

You mean the old sign it or lose your jobs deal? Good luck to Mesa guys we're all counting on you.

Also the union email said that the TA "did not include the clarity and language necessary to resolve many issues MAG pilots face."

This is a big reason why we have been getting screwed over for the last four years!

This time, there are no Freedumb *********s taking the jobs of the pilot group, so the leverage lies with the pilot group. J.O. has started his boring and predictable tactics....(furlough, threats of lost flying, etc.). We have all seen too many times before.

It is time for ALPA to grow a pair and force J.O. to the table and get everything that is deserved. With the stock price hovering near 50 cents, he is over a barrell.

It is time for Mesa pilots to stand up and get what is owed and finally shed the stigma from the rest of the industry.

BEST OF LUCK GUYS! STAND FIRM AND UNITED!

That was a wise move by the MEC. The TA would have likely been rejected by the pilot group because it didn't make improvements in minimum days off. By sending the negotiating committee back to the table with management, they are actually speeding things up.
Congrats Mesa MEC.

Did they offer 6 days off with but with a 12 month bid?

JO sure has seen a lot of rejected contracts lately...

Is there a possibility that the recent furloughs are related to this contract dispute?

Stand tall, if you can stay united and stand for a good contract, it will give all of us that are butting heads with managment a breath for fresh air. It just might even open the eyes of other managment groups.

I agree, but for different reasons. I'd be afraid the pilots would cave...over 50% of them are relatively new, and willingly went to work there in the midst of a massive industry hiring boom. Not sure what those folks were thinking...

But kudos to the MEC for exercising adult supervision at the playground, that's the way alpa SHOULD work at the regionals.

Way to go MAG MEC! The contract had a lot of "at the company' discretion" and a lot of other ambiguous stuff.

Mucho number one thing, have a definitions section as thick as a bible. Something with every instance you can think of will put an end to fly it grieve it. And place some penalties on company bull****.

my .02

LAMA

Congrats guys! Definitely a step in the right direction. Obviously you have to look at these things with skepticism (sp). Management would love for you to agree to a new agreement, then to just turn around and file bankruptcy and throw that thing in the trash, just to hold on to some of you a little longer. False hope if you will. During the Delta bankruptcy they told Comair that the pilots were paid too much and the pilots gave in to pay cuts. Then what happened? A handful of Comair's 70 seat aircraft were given to ASA and look at what ASA pilots are paid compared to Comair. Comair has a cheaper operating cost and still lost the airframes.

Not trying to start a My Airline is Better Than Yours thread, but I am just trying to say that management is not going to pat you on the back given the state of the industry. Go into a TA with enough on the table prepared that even if they renig a bunch of it, that you still have enough left to provide you with a decent quality of life.

Wouldnt it be harder to do anythink in bankruptcy.....which seems very possible?

Nope! All JO has to do is cry to a BK judge that if you guys keep getting paid what you are getting paid that he will be forced to close the doors. Though the rest of the industry would love for that to happen, most judges would rule in JO's favor and Negate your contract. Talk to some Comair guys and they will tell you all about it. Everything is fair game in court.

Speaking of "United" perhaps it's time for a www.JOrnstein.com like the UAL ALPA hosted Home - Save United - Remove Glenn Tilton. Wow. Don't mess with United pilots...
:eek:

Congrats and Good Luck! I hope your contract comes through. However I dont see JO as willing to cave. Hes such a huge a-hole i think he would cut off his nose to spite his own face. Meaning the guy has money and could live happy. He is so hostile to his labor I dont think he will cave just to screw you guys harder for inconveniencing him with this new contract he dosent feel you deserve(but clearly do) and let the whole thing go up in flames. But hope for the best and maybe........

Don't be a wuss....make Mesa give you all that you deserve...trust me...you're just suffering under abused wife syndrome and you don't even know it.

LAMA
96-06

United we stand, divided we fall.....

HOLD THE LINE Mesa folks....block or better, 12 days off min for both line holders and reserves, trip/duty rigs, no camping trips, all days off golden, tight language, commuting policy that is more forgiving and YOUR choice if you want to come in or not on a day off after politely requested, 10-20% increase in pay along with some major improvements to your vacation policy.