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Justdoinmyjob 09-08-2008 08:04 AM

Regional carrier jet runs off San Antonio runway
 
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AP
Regional carrier jet runs off San Antonio runway
Monday September 8, 9:20 am ET

No injuries as regional carrier jet runs off San Antonio International Airport runway

SAN ANTONIO (AP) -- A regional carrier jet ran off a runway at San Antonio International Airport after landing on a flight from Los Angeles.
Chicago-based United Airlines spokeswoman Megan McCarthy says none of the 52 passengers and four crew members on the United Express jet were injured. They were bused to the terminal.
McCarthy says United will work with SkyWest Airlines, the operator of the regional carrier, to try to determine what caused the aircraft to leave the runway.
San Antonio airport spokesman David Hebert says in a story on the San Antonio Express-News Web site that the plane appeared to be having some mechanical difficulties.
The accident closed the primary runway at the airport for about two hours. Its other runway was already closed for construction.

ehaeckercfi 09-08-2008 11:33 AM

Somebody forget a descent check? I sure hope not...

viper548 09-08-2008 11:51 AM

I sure hope someone wouldn't go off the end of the runway if they forgot to arm the reversers

ehaeckercfi 09-08-2008 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 458044)
I sure hope someone wouldn't go off the end of the runway if they forgot to arm the reversers

So do I, but it has come VERY close to happening before... Really heated up the brakes.

BlueMoon 09-08-2008 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 458056)
So do I, but it has come VERY close to happening before... Really heated up the brakes.

You must have been kinda fast over the threshold then...You could weld the reversers shut on the CRJ (all models)....and they don't get that hot. Certainly not on an 8500' long runway, which SAT has.

Salukipilot4590 09-08-2008 01:02 PM

You have to ARM the TRs in the CRJ? Is there a switch or something?

mooney 09-08-2008 01:03 PM

not just 1 switch....2 switches :(

Salukipilot4590 09-08-2008 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 458094)
not just 1 switch....2 switches :(

Wow...just wow... Was this only on the 200 model or is it on th 7 and 9 as well?

I know they must be trying to prevent the TRs from deploying onthe TO roll or in flight but still...a calculator has the computing power to tell the TRs when to fire...

RickJames 09-08-2008 01:14 PM

Technically, reversers shouldn't matter. Demonstrated (certified) landing distance is based on no reverse thrust.

aa173130 09-08-2008 01:17 PM

I'm guessing nose wheel steering malfunc...

Salukipilot4590 09-08-2008 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by aa173130 (Post 458104)
I'm guessing nose wheel steering malfunc...

I've had that happen on my leg during a TO at about 65kts....not fun! Imagine flying your light twin and losing an engine...felt about the same.

ehaeckercfi 09-08-2008 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 458088)
You must have been kinda fast over the threshold then...You could weld the reversers shut on the CRJ (all models)....and they don't get that hot. Certainly not on an 8500' long runway, which SAT has.

No it definitely wasn't me. Just somebody I heard about. Overshot the TD zone, FO scared to use the brakes, etc... I am curious to find out what caused this.

WeaselBoy 09-08-2008 01:47 PM

Since we are going with blind speculation...

My guess is that after touchdown a pack of chupacabras ran out onto the runway. The FO, knowing how rare and special these creatures are, decided the ecologically sound thing was to sacrifice the plane and passengers safety to protect them.

SmoothLanderJ 09-08-2008 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by WeaselBoy (Post 458117)
Since we are going with blind speculation...

My guess is that after touchdown a pack of chupacabras ran out onto the runway. The FO, knowing how rare and special these creatures are, decided the ecologically sound thing was to sacrifice the plane and passengers safety to protect them.


..LOL!!.......:D....good one.......

USMCFLYR 09-08-2008 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by WeaselBoy (Post 458117)
Since we are going with blind speculation...

My guess is that after touchdown a pack of chupacabras ran out onto the runway. The FO, knowing how rare and special these creatures are, decided the ecologically sound thing was to sacrifice the plane and passengers safety to protect them.

Were you watching Discovery Channel this weekend too??? :)

USMCFLYR

WeaselBoy 09-08-2008 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 458123)
Were you watching Discovery Channel this weekend too??? :)

USMCFLYR

No, but luckily the FO did.

soon2bfo 09-08-2008 02:03 PM

It was a nose wheel steering issue.

MatchPoint 09-08-2008 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by soon2bfo (Post 458128)
It was a nose wheel steering issue.

I was told by an RJ CA/IP that the nose wheel steering failed causing them to run off the RWY when they attempted to make the high speed. Take it for what it’s worth.

EmbraerFlyer 09-08-2008 03:59 PM

You should be on America's Got Talent!!! That was funny!:rolleyes: Dee Dee Dee

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/...?videoId=72779

shfo 09-08-2008 10:33 PM

So was the captain playing with the tiller in flight? Someone did that earlier this year and got stuck on 28 at ORD after landing. Tower was not amused.

ToiletDuck 09-08-2008 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 458088)
You must have been kinda fast over the threshold then...You could weld the reversers shut on the CRJ (all models)....and they don't get that hot. Certainly not on an 8500' long runway, which SAT has.

Just saw a NWA 747 land on it a couple days ago. I'd say it's plenty long!

Roper92 09-09-2008 05:37 AM

I put a 172 down on that bad boy!

OnMyWay 09-09-2008 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by RickJames (Post 458100)
Technically, reversers shouldn't matter. Demonstrated (certified) landing distance is based on no reverse thrust.

Beat me to it.:mad:

dlbpilot 06-03-2009 10:39 PM

Geez...you must have had plenty room on that approach. 8500ft... Thats plenty room... Land.... rotate- lift off.. flare and land again...in a 172.

ToiletDuck 06-03-2009 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by WeaselBoy (Post 458117)
Since we are going with blind speculation...

My guess is that after touchdown a pack of chupacabras ran out onto the runway. The FO, knowing how rare and special these creatures are, decided the ecologically sound thing was to sacrifice the plane and passengers safety to protect them.

Chupacabras don't exist in Texas. Try Jackalopes.

Excel 06-03-2009 11:12 PM

Regional jet? From LAX to SAT?? <insert sarcasm here>

80ktsClamp 06-03-2009 11:35 PM

If on a short runway like the one that is left open at SAT...with normal braking on the CRJ-200 the pnuematic reversers barely have time to open by the time you hit 80 knots anyways. They have to be the slowest opening reversers on any plane out there.


edit: last time I was there (a month or so ago?) it was a pretty short runway that was still open... 8500 certainly isn't very short. Blame a mechanical issue or a roving group of mexican immigrants in that case.

Purpleanga 06-03-2009 11:44 PM

holy thread revival

FlyJSH 06-04-2009 12:23 AM

Since nobody else has said it, I will.

Just glad everybody walked away.

tpersuit 06-04-2009 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 622480)
holy thread revival

Glad someone caught that.

fboehm 06-04-2009 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 458098)
Wow...just wow... Was this only on the 200 model or is it on th 7 and 9 as well?

I know they must be trying to prevent the TRs from deploying onthe TO roll or in flight but still...a calculator has the computing power to tell the TRs when to fire...

There are TR switches in the 200/700/900. They are always armed for takeoff and landing.

rickair7777 06-04-2009 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by fboehm (Post 622559)
There are TR switches in the 200/700/900. They are always armed for takeoff and landing.

Let me rephrase that...they are always SUPPOSED to be armed for takeoff and landing.

JetJock16 06-04-2009 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 622564)
Let me rephrase that...they are always SUPPOSED to be armed for takeoff and landing.

It's been a long time but don't we calculate our landing distance without TR's? I know on the EMB our LD is w/out Reverse. Also I was told that this was a "Steer Inop" at the wrong time.

The Juice 06-04-2009 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Excel (Post 622474)
Regional jet? From LAX to SAT?? <insert sarcasm here>

If you look at the United States as one big region, I guess it makes sense. Plus both LAX and SAT are small airports that otherwise could not be served by mainline becuase they are uncontrolled fields and lack of services.
<insert more sarcasm here>

fboehm 06-04-2009 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 622564)
Let me rephrase that...they are always SUPPOSED to be armed for takeoff and landing.

You got me there. They are on if the crew correctly adheres to the checklist.


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