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EmbraerFlyer 09-25-2008 05:52 PM

Gulfstream caught using car parts
 
Good thing they didnt kill someone doing this. Even though some car parts are the same as plane parts, if its not allowed by the FAA it shouldnt be on the damn plan.


Ex-Gulfstream Airlines Employees Speak Out On Maintenance, Safety Concerns - Headlines Only News Story - WTVJ | Miami

CRJDriver 09-25-2008 06:06 PM

Gulfstream always sounded like a POS operation, right along with their 'Academy', where the FO pays more than the passenger:rolleyes:

kbronc 09-25-2008 06:13 PM

I bet it was a York 210 compressor unit...... they are used for a/c's on everything, saw them used on a Navajo... so why not a 1900??? I have two sitting in my garage.
Ps I dont condone PFT

rthompsonjr 09-25-2008 06:54 PM

Lears have York compressors as well, and wow do they suck.

Thedude 09-25-2008 06:57 PM

I hate to say it but some car parts are better than aircraft parts with the FAA-PMA stamp on them. I used to work with a guy that used race car parts on his plane because they were better and cheaper than what came from most of the the PMA manufactuers.

Red Forman 09-25-2008 08:04 PM

I guess they need to start charging more for their PFT.

atpwannabe 09-25-2008 08:07 PM

Glad I have gained a more thorough understanding of PFT & Gulfstream. I glad I decided against attending their academy.



atp

contrails 09-25-2008 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by atpwannabe (Post 468618)
Glad I have gained a more thorough understanding of PFT & Gulfstream. I glad I decided against attending their academy.

We are all glad you did, if that is the case.

Pass it on to at least one other student pilot at some point and they'll probably thank you later.

rustypigeon 09-26-2008 06:37 AM

Thats funny. I drove by Pep Boys last week and I thought I saw a 1900 tail sticking out of the service bay.

CRJDriver 09-26-2008 06:43 AM

These videos just make me sick.... Check out the one with the CAL guy! I also see the program is now $29,900 dollars.

Gulfstream Training Academy | Home Page

Flyboy8784 09-26-2008 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 468732)
These videos just make me sick.... Check out the one with the CAL guy! I also see the program is now $29,900 dollars.

Gulfstream Training Academy | Home Page


I bet the CAL Captain is a Scab :cool:

Flyboydan 09-26-2008 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 468732)
These videos just make me sick.... Check out the one with the CAL guy! I also see the program is now $29,900 dollars.

Gulfstream Training Academy | Home Page


20yrs with CAL......I'm sure he is a cheif pilot or check airman. His kids must be too stupid to realize that just their dad alone could probably get them a job at CAL when the time comes.

meeko031 09-26-2008 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 468732)
These videos just make me sick.... Check out the one with the CAL guy! I also see the program is now $29,900 dollars.

Gulfstream Training Academy | Home Page


She paid all that money to be a captain at expressjet! very wise investment!:rolleyes:

capto 09-26-2008 08:11 AM

nobody saw that coming. yeah right!! So they pay 30000 to steal jobs and put their live at risk, just the kind of people we need in this industry:mad:

Cycle Pilot 09-26-2008 08:49 AM

As for turning down an aircraft without TCAS... come on! I know it's the Captain's discretion ultimately, but that's a little overkill. We've all flown with TCAS deferred over and over... no biggie. That being said... Gulfstream is a scumbag operation. It'll be a good day when that company goes away!

EmbraerFlyer 09-26-2008 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 468772)
I bet the CAL Captain is a Scab :cool:

He seem pretty proud of his kids..

Winston Smith 09-26-2008 01:36 PM

The Southwest chick's tie is too long. Middle of belt buckle, please.
And she should cut back on the Nathan's hotdogs.

mattp1803 09-26-2008 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Winston Smith (Post 468966)
The Southwest chick's tie is too long. Middle of belt buckle, please.
And she should cut back on the Nathan's hotdogs.

Yeah I can't stand it when people wear their ties that long! That just looks gross.

CRJDriver 09-26-2008 02:05 PM

Watch the video by the pilot recruiters. I laughed so hard when he said: "It's no secret anymore, that Gulfstream pilots are the best trained pilots in the industry". That's not what I've heard from some CAs that flown with former GIA pilots...:rolleyes:

SmoothOnTop 09-26-2008 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Winston Smith (Post 468966)
The Southwest chick's tie is too long. Middle of belt buckle, please.
And she should cut back on the Nathan's hotdogs.

Take it easy on busting WN first officers.

Remember, if it wasn't for the WN FO that took control of the TRs from captain paralysis at Midway, that accident would have been exponentially more tragic...

Sniper 09-26-2008 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 469056)
. . . if it wasn't for the WN FO that took control of the TRs from captain paralysis at Midway, that accident would have been exponentially more tragic...

I don't think lauding praise on a member of a crew who contributed to the accident by failing to divert or go-around on a short runway with "poor" braking action reports and a tailwind of over 5 kts is appropriate.

The FO was part of a crew that pressed a bad situation, and, unfortunately, a variety of factors contributed to the death of a child because of it.

But yeah, the FO's tie is WAY too long.

meeko031 09-26-2008 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by capto (Post 468781)
So they pay 30000 to steal jobs


I don't really care if people pft or not. If we both go to an interview for the same job and he/she gets the offer, that just means that the other person is more prepared than I am. I think that the interview process is 80% q&a about your personality and not your flying capabilities! but please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

Sniper 09-27-2008 01:20 AM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 469238)
. . . please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

A 'job' requires compensation. If you're paying to provide a service to a company, then you are not acting as a professional - you're employing your own employer @ that point. How can you be a professional if you are not compensated for your time?

A professional is paid for his/her services. If there is training required to do a job specific to the employer, the employer should be obligated to pay for this training (versus generic training towards a universally accepted standard that is marketable to all employers). A professional doesn't pay to do a job - the employer pays the professional to do the job. The professional doesn't pay the employer for the 'experience', nor for the right to work there.

Jobs are lost when the service of a professional is replaced with the training of a student.

TurboFan 09-27-2008 01:48 AM

"I wish you well, and I'll see you on 'the-line'." Priceless.

DYNASTY HVY 09-27-2008 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by TurboFan (Post 469253)
"I wish you well, and I'll see you on 'the-line'." Priceless.

Schould have added a maybe to the end of that sentence:rolleyes:

'I wish you well ,and I,ll see you on 'the line ' maybe in ohh say 10 years" .:eek::D

MD11Fr8Dog 09-27-2008 03:40 AM

You mean a flux capacitor is NOT interchangeable with a fetzer valve?? ;)

LeftWing 09-27-2008 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 469238)
I don't really care if people pft or not. If we both go to an interview for the same job and he/she gets the offer, that just means that the other person is more prepared than I am. I think that the interview process is 80% q&a about your personality and not your flying capabilities! but please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

So, you don't care about a system that would pass up those with more experience to "hire":rolleyes: someone with less experience simply because they're willing to undercut the profession by way of buying their job? Since this practice brings down the profession, most professionals do care.

hmmm, how much did you pay for your job? or past job?:rolleyes:

LeftWing 09-27-2008 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 469250)
A 'job' requires compensation. If you're paying to provide a service to a company, then you are not acting as a professional - you're employing your own employer @ that point. How can you be a professional if you are not compensated for your time?

A professional is paid for his/her services. If there is training required to do a job specific to the employer, the employer should be obligated to pay for this training (versus generic training towards a universally accepted standard that is marketable to all employers). A professional doesn't pay to do a job - the employer pays the professional to do the job. The professional doesn't pay the employer for the 'experience', nor for the right to work there.

Jobs are lost when the service of a professional is replaced with the training of a student.

I didn't see your post before I posted. I couldn't have said it better.

Blueridger 09-27-2008 09:48 AM

Uhhhh....... I think I just dry heaved watching that crap!!! Unbelievable!

Here's a story I can relate. Upon being furloughed from a regional turned low-cost startup, I did a brief stint at Ameriflight flying a BE99 to get that elusive turbine PIC. They ran the same scam for low time pilots (with a lot of cash to burn) to build up their "time". I flew with one of these low-time pilots whose father worked for mainline CAL. She was the most worthless crew-member I have ever come across - apart from a 32 year veteran of AA, go figure. Couldn't fly worth a damn, operate a radio, track an airway or identify the COP's for me. But hey, thanks to her logging PIC time on the part 91 flights (even though I refused to give her the controls), she's probably scored a cushy job somewhere putting the lives of passengers at risk.
Food for thought.

meeko031 09-28-2008 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by LeftWing (Post 469321)
hmmm, how much did you pay for your job? or past job?:rolleyes:

Hmm.. let's see, I applied for a loan for college because people say that there are more opportunities out there with a college degree. Didn't like the computer field so I applied for another loan to begin my flight training at an fbo!!! what's wrong with that? Is that considered paying for my job?

cactusmike 09-28-2008 07:32 PM

We had a F/O who had bought his job at Gulfstream after having been let go at Eagle. He never made it out of probation here. He was the worst pilot I have ever flown with.

Slice 09-28-2008 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 469238)
I don't really care if people pft or not. If we both go to an interview for the same job and he/she gets the offer, that just means that the other person is more prepared than I am. I think that the interview process is 80% q&a about your personality and not your flying capabilities! but please explain how someone that pays x amount of money for training results in stealing jobs?

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

meeko031 09-28-2008 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 470117)
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. God have mercy on your soul.

THANK YOU....:rolleyes:

LostInAsia 09-28-2008 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 470051)
Hmm.. let's see, I applied for a loan for college because people say that there are more opportunities out there with a college degree. Didn't like the computer field so I applied for another loan to begin my flight training at an fbo!!! what's wrong with that? Is that considered paying for my job?

Most operators employ and pay a captain and an FO to fly a 1900. When you go there and offer to pay the company to ride in the right seat, you are preventing someone from being paid by the company to do the same job. See the difference??

meeko031 09-29-2008 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by LostInAsia (Post 470222)
See the difference??

got it! I never considered working for gulfstream


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