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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 472105)
when they announced the midwest disaster they said the were working on a conventional agreement with another airline for 4 aircraft. guess this is what they were talking about. maybe a code share with hawaian (sp)?
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Originally Posted by Aileron
(Post 472121)
No, Hawaiian has no need for 170's. They have 11 717 and 4 more coming.
If it's not Hawaiian, who else is big there? Mesa: wouldn't put it past JO, but his ego wouldn't allow him to do it, and, financially, it makes no sense. Mesa has plenty of RJ's and pilots, plus their costs are likely lower. Island Air: Would they want a bigger aircraft to do some independent stuff? Doubtful, they had the Q-400, which is, quite frankly, a far superior aircraft for an inter-island route over virtually anything of any size. United: My guess. United has a relationship with Bedford already, and it seems to be neutral, at least, if not better. United has more flights to Hawai'i than any other airline, so there's plenty of passengers, in theory, too. I say "in theory" b/c direct flights to the individual islands seem to be picking up, and UA has flights to all the larger airports in the islands. Also, tourism (Hawai'i's economic engine, and something directly related to the airlines, since nobody drives to Hawai'i) is down 17% since last year, and down 24% from the west coast of the US, the largest market. Why would you need more feed in the islands at this time? That's why I think it's got to be United - who else would add inter-island flights during a recession that's hitting Hawai'i hard? US Airways: They don't have much in the way of capacity to the islands, but, b/c they can only devote a couple 75's to HNL, they have to give all of their traffic to the other islands to the competition. This way, US Airways could offer flights to other island destinations. Most passengers would take the connection in HNL if it saved them $10, sadly. Bedford also has a relationship with US Airways. Delta: S5 already operates for them (which 'EMB170man' points out is important to note) and, as 'powrful1' posts, the aircraft will be configured to 70 seats - Delta scope clause right there. If you're gonna' be the largest airline in the world (Delta), you've got to have a larger presence in this market. Once Delta has Northwest, there will be a large asian presence in the route structure too, which makes Hawaii a good location (asian tourists from one side, US from the other). 'Aileron' says I'll be surprised: Delta would surprise me, certainly a dark horse. Should be interesting. |
It makes sense that another airline would take advantage of the loss of flying over there; With ATA and Aloha gone there is less competition. Go is still there but not making a profit. How much longer can they do that?
Maybe it is Delta since it appears they are going out of their way to destroy Mesa. |
What next a Tokyo base? Maybe Mumbai? I can't understand this industry anymore.
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Originally Posted by Sniper
(Post 472148)
I know another airline that had no need for 170's and had 717's. Next thing you know . . .
If it's not Hawaiian, who else is big there? Mesa: wouldn't put it past JO, but his ego wouldn't allow him to do it, and, financially, it makes no sense. Mesa has plenty of RJ's and pilots, plus their costs are likely lower. Island Air: Would they want a bigger aircraft to do some independent stuff? Doubtful, they had the Q-400, which is, quite frankly, a far superior aircraft for an inter-island route over virtually anything of any size. United: My guess. United has a relationship with Bedford already, and it seems to be neutral, at least, if not better. United has more flights to Hawai'i than any other airline, so there's plenty of passengers, in theory, too. I say "in theory" b/c direct flights to the individual islands seem to be picking up, and UA has flights to all the larger airports in the islands. Also, tourism (Hawai'i's economic engine, and something directly related to the airlines, since nobody drives to Hawai'i) is down 17% since last year, and down 24% from the west coast of the US, the largest market. Why would you need more feed in the islands at this time? That's why I think it's got to be United - who else would add inter-island flights during a recession that's hitting Hawai'i hard? US Airways: They don't have much in the way of capacity to the islands, but, b/c they can only devote a couple 75's to HNL, they have to give all of their traffic to the other islands to the competition. This way, US Airways could offer flights to other island destinations. Most passengers would take the connection in HNL if it saved them $10, sadly. Bedford also has a relationship with US Airways. Should be interesting. |
better not be AK.
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Originally Posted by Aileron
(Post 472209)
Ah, just wait and see. There's a new big boy now on the islands. Trust me at first you all will be shocked to find out who it is...:cool:
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Originally Posted by Sniper
(Post 472148)
US Airways: They don't have much in the way of capacity to the islands, but, b/c they can only devote a couple 75's to HNL, they have to give all of their traffic to the other islands to the competition. This way, US Airways could offer flights to other island destinations. Most passengers would take the connection in HNL if it saved them $10, sadly. Bedford also has a relationship with US Airways.
Should be interesting. Not USAir...it is going to be on the S5 (Shuttle America) certificate...USAir is all dont on the RW (Republic) cerificate. |
An interesting side note is, if this agreement actually goes through the planes will be in a 70 seat configuration.
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Originally Posted by BBedford
(Post 472083)
"Shuttle America has a potential opportunity for a new code share agreement with additional flying beginning on or before November 15, 2008. This bid is in anticipation of a possible code share agreement in Hawaii that will be announced within 10 days should it come together. It is necessary to complete the bidding time line prior to the posting of the November 2008 PBS bids and in anticipation of this opportunity being finalized. This crew base would open no later than November 15, 2008 in HNL (Honolulu, HI). Initially the trips are anticipated to be single day trips.
The effective date of this bid is January 1, 2009 but any qualified pilots we be expected to be available in HNL on or before November 15, 2008. Pilots requiring training may expect a class date of early November. The Company has been in discussions with the Union as related to modifications to specific contract provisions for the HNL based crewmembers. Travel benefits are unknown at this time but it should be anticipated that at least initially you will have limited travel privileges outside the inter-island flying. There will be a different uniform more aligned with Island attire. The company reserves the right to waive the 24 month seat lock. Please do not bid this position if you are unable or unwilling to accept an award! HNL EMB 170 Shuttle America The company is posting 11 Captain and 11 First Officer EMB 170 positions. Bids will be accepted until 1700 hours on the closing date. If interested, please update your vacancy bid in Flica. To correctly bid and to be considered for this position, please bid for HNL 170 CA or FO in Flica under Vacancy. Vacancies will be awarded in order of seniority using standing bids on file as of the date bidding is closed. Vacancies caused by filling this primary award will be awarded using the standing bids on file as of the date bidding is closed. Not all vacancies created by this bid award may be filled. Please use Flica to bid. Pilot Bid closes 1700 hours on October 8, 2008." .............just trying to help out. Find a girlfriend with rich parents NOW! |
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