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BoilerWings 10-07-2008 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Gchamp3 (Post 475056)
Nothing scary about a 210 hour Airline pilot?

I've had MANY 200-300 hour pilots nearly wreck my aircraft while I was instructing. Statistically, a pilot between 200-300 hours is the most dangerous pilot in the air. Its similar to being a teenage driver. You have just enough experience to think you have some experience. In the controlled training environment this is not a problem. However, when things go wrong, the odds are against you.

I had that very thing happen to me last week. I corrected him on something small and he said, "I know I'm not as experienced as you are, but I have 300 hours. I'm not a student anymore." He's a CFI applicant.

He and I had a very thorough debrief, to include the above quoted post.

USMCFLYR 10-07-2008 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Gchamp3 (Post 475056)
Nothing scary about a 210 hour Airline pilot?

I've had MANY 200-300 hour pilots nearly wreck my aircraft while I was instructing. Statistically, a pilot between 200-300 hours is the most dangerous pilot in the air. Its similar to being a teenage driver. You have just enough experience to think you have some experience. In the controlled training environment this is not a problem. However, when things go wrong, the odds are against you.

That second group - at least in the military - are the guys with around 1500TT. Who falls into that group in the civilian world?

USMCFLYR

Brendan 10-07-2008 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Gchamp3 (Post 475056)
Nothing scary about a 210 hour Airline pilot?

I've had MANY 200-300 hour pilots nearly wreck my aircraft while I was instructing. Statistically, a pilot between 200-300 hours is the most dangerous pilot in the air. Its similar to being a teenage driver. You have just enough experience to think you have some experience. In the controlled training environment this is not a problem. However, when things go wrong, the odds are against you.

Nice analogy! people don't seem to get that flying is more than stick and rudder skills and greasing landings. Yes, you can teach a 200 hour pilot to memorize flows and emergency memory items. Can you teach judgment and decision making?

Also, the most dangerous pilots are those with 50 hours, 500 hours, and 10,000 hours. I had an instructor tell me that just after I got my Private and it has stuck with me since. The overconfidence you have at these levels makes you susceptible to invulnerability and error.

USMCFLYR 10-07-2008 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Brendan (Post 475286)
Nice analogy! people don't seem to get that flying is more than stick and rudder skills and greasing landings. Yes, you can teach a 200 hour pilot to memorize flows and emergency memory items. Can you teach judgment and decision making?

Also, the most dangerous pilots are those with 50 hours, 500 hours, and 10,000 hours. I had an instructor tell me that just after I got my Private and it has stuck with me since. The overconfidence you have at these levels makes you susceptible to invulnerability and error.

That is a HUGE gap between 500 and 10,000 TT! Is that statistical or was it just a good saying from your CFI that stuck with you?

USMCFLYR

Brendan 10-07-2008 06:54 PM

More of just a saying. The only thing I have seen is that the highest rate is the newly certified commercial pilot. After that, I'm not sure.

usmc-sgt 10-07-2008 07:05 PM

Thats good news, I have 8000 more hours to go before I become dangerous again!

ERAUdude 10-07-2008 07:23 PM

I've heard the most dangerous ones are those with <500TT and >5,000TT. All having to do with inexperience turning into complacency.

Deez340 10-07-2008 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Seven Left (Post 474463)
USMC, I'm definitely willing to instruct. Not to toot my own horn, but seeing how I've dealt with other students in my flight school, I think I'd make a pretty good instructor. I think 2000TT to be competitive is a bit of a grim outlook, though (for regionals). Don't get me wrong at all, because I really do appreciate the input. I agree that flight instructors sticking around does a lot of good for students and flight schools, but saying that is much easier when you're already flying something that climbs above 14,000. Bottom line, I took out a $70,000 loan and got into training when the hiring was strong. Have I had to change my expectations? You bet. I just didn't (and still don't) expect to have to flight instruct to the point of getting near 2000 hours to be seriously considered for a job in the right seat. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but I think things will settle down again here real soon. Until then, I'm looking at anything I can do to build time. Thanks again for the input.

While competitive mins might not be that high right now or in the near future, just know it was that way for several years. When I was hired at Eagle (albeit many moons ago) I had about 1800tt and 800 multi. I was by far the lowest time guy in the class. Keep building your time, resume, knowledge, and core of experience. It will serve you well in your pursuits regardless of what competitive mins happen to be. Remember, there is no shame in being ambitious and wanting to get a class date asap. It is, however, beyond shameful to aspire to get hired with as little experience (hard work) as possible. Good luck.:)

Mason32 10-08-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 475295)
That is a HUGE gap between 500 and 10,000 TT! Is that statistical or was it just a good saying from your CFI that stuck with you?

USMCFLYR

He is correct. The <500 have the highest incident rate, followed by the 500-1000 hour; and then for some reason the ATP 10,000+ go higher again.

It's available in the AOPA Nall Report.

AOPA Online: AOPA Air Safety Foundation - 2007 Joseph T. Nall Report

DeadHead 10-08-2008 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 475358)
Remember, there is no shame in being ambitious and wanting to get a class date asap. It is, however, beyond shameful to aspire to get hired with as little experience (hard work) as possible. Good luck.:)

Well said.


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