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rickair7777 10-09-2008 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by twebb (Post 476004)
I remember the episode from mythbusters where they amplified every cell phone frequency and it did nothing to the navigation systems. I find it hard to believe that a video camera will throw off the navigation in an airplane. Think of all the frequencies that are around us right now. Think of all the people on airplanes that don't turn off their phones or electronics. Do ALL of you turn off your phones every time you step onto the plane? The only thing that could be affected would be the magnetic compass...who uses that until *something* hits the fan? (unless you have a regular DG).

If the bad guys just had to turn on their phone or video camera during TO/Landing, we'd be in trouble.

On several airplanes I have flown a cell phone in the cockpit or in the right place in the cabin causes noticeable interference on the VHF comm radios...it's not implausible that it could also degrade a LOC which is on the adjacent frequency range to comms. Who knows what else could be effected. Is it going to cause the explosive bolts on the wings to fire, dooming the airplane? No. But it might create an unneeded distraction at the wrong moment.

Also an analog cell phone (still used in some less-populated areas of the US) in the back seat row will set off the cargo smoke detector in a CRJ 200...that's an automatic blow the bottles and land at nearest suitable...$$$$$$$

ToiletDuck 10-09-2008 08:23 AM

A lot has changed since those regs were written. Ever notice how they mention specific devices? You can't use a phone but an electric shaver is ok. When I turn on my electric shaver at home it makes the TV fuzzy. Go figure.

I've been told that phones aren't allowed for a couple reason. I haven't had them confirmed. One was that the older analog phones ran on a freq. close enough to cause interference with the ILS. The second reason was that the towers used for cell phones can only handle X amount of operations per second. When in an aircraft and using a phone your phone hits more than one tower. That increases the amount of operations each tower is doing. It also made it hard to be billed by companies where roaming charges applied everywhere. It wasn't uncommon to drive 15 miles and all the sudden be roaming. Now of course these aren't issues but with the FAA it seems that once something is on paper it's pretty much impossible to get rid of it.

captain152 10-09-2008 08:29 AM

Honestly, if you're dumb enough to post a video you took below 10,000ft on Myspace, Youtube, etc. and have something to identify who you are ... you deserve to get caught. I don't wish it on anyone, but if you're going to take a video (which we all do at some point or another), just be smart about it :) There's a ton of great video to be taken and shared!

Mason32 10-09-2008 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 475738)
We've all done it...just don't YouTube or MySpace it...

Please speak for yourself only. There are many more of us who take our jobs seriously enough to not intentionally break policy or regulations.

PGTx 10-09-2008 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 476189)
Honestly, if you're dumb enough to post a video you took below 10,000ft on Myspace, Youtube, etc. and have something to identify who you are ... you deserve to get caught. I don't wish it on anyone, but if you're going to take a video (which we all do at some point or another), just be smart about it :) There's a ton of great video to be taken and shared!

On Facebook / Myspace you have the option of allowing only certain users to access the videos (such as your 'friends' list) :)

Whacker77 10-09-2008 10:26 AM

Forgive me for my ignorance, but is the FAA saying that all videos taken by pilots or jumpseaters are against the rules? So all of the thousands of videos on YouTube of takeoffs and landings, whether it be in a CRJ-200 or an A340 or a B747, are not permissable? I guess I don't understand how it's wrong for a pilot in the jumpseat to video tape another pilot flying an approach. If I were an airline pilot, I would love to have a video that shows the professional environment everyone operates under.

Futterman 10-09-2008 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by ChickenFlight (Post 476084)
The photographer (the one on the ground) that took that picture is actually a former student of mine, and I do believe he deems it his greatest achievement in life so far.

Hey, it's no mistake that my commercial training didn't take the top spot. ;)

xjsaab 10-09-2008 11:25 AM

I want to see an outside perspective of how I run my cockpit. What better way than having a jumpseater videotape it for analysis later?

TurboFan 10-09-2008 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by twebb (Post 476004)
I remember the episode from mythbusters where they amplified every cell phone frequency and it did nothing to the navigation systems. I find it hard to believe that a video camera will throw off the navigation in an airplane.

If I remember correctly, they did find that a cell phone could cause severe interference to a VOR receiver if the electrical shielding on the wires connected to the VOR receiver had been removed or broken. It is perfectly plausible (in Mythbusters terms) to assume that if the shielding on the wiring had been broken, a cell phone could cause problems. I'm not saying it's likely, but plausible... maybe.

ExperimentalAB 10-09-2008 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 476214)
Please speak for yourself only. There are many more of us who take our jobs seriously enough to not intentionally break policy or regulations.


For cripe's sake dude, chillax a little...! So serious Mr. Captain Mason ::smart salute:: :p

ToiletDuck 10-09-2008 12:11 PM

The A380 has a pretty large recorder in the ceiling. Airbus A380 - cockpit | p a n o r e p o r t a g e | g i l l e s v i d a l

Some of the 145s I fly have closed circuit systems in them and I don't recall any special GOM provisions about turning it off.

Splanky 10-09-2008 12:20 PM

That A380 cockpit panorama is really cool.

Rascal 10-09-2008 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 476161)
On several airplanes I have flown a cell phone in the cockpit or in the right place in the cabin causes noticeable interference on the VHF comm radios...it's not implausible that it could also degrade a LOC which is on the adjacent frequency range to comms. Who knows what else could be effected. Is it going to cause the explosive bolts on the wings to fire, dooming the airplane? No. But it might create an unneeded distraction at the wrong moment.

Also an analog cell phone (still used in some less-populated areas of the US) in the back seat row will set off the cargo smoke detector in a CRJ 200...that's an automatic blow the bottles and land at nearest suitable...$$$$$$$

As of March, 2008 all analog networks have been shutdown.

ToiletDuck 10-09-2008 01:58 PM

As of late the only interference I've heard of with an aircraft is the alleged jamming signal that brought down the BA 777.

RiddleEagle18 10-09-2008 02:18 PM

Put your cell phone near the cup holder on the crj200 and the damn efis comp mon goes off twice as much as normal. Anyone who has flown it knows that thing goes off too much as it is.

lear 31 pilot 10-09-2008 02:34 PM

Give me a break their are more important things going on in this industry then worrying about us taking pictures during takeoff and landings. If we followed the rules to a T we would never leave the ground, just keep your pictures and videos to yourself.

TurboFan 10-09-2008 02:36 PM

Maybe it's cell phones causing the never ending barrage of "duct mon fault" status messages.

camba0a6 10-09-2008 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 476373)
As of late the only interference I've heard of with an aircraft is the alleged jamming signal that brought down the BA 777.

Ya, I am pretty sure that was discredited and the real source was apperent Iceing in the fuel lines!

Lab Rat 10-09-2008 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by lear 31 pilot (Post 476391)
Give me a break their are more important things going on in this industry then worrying about us taking pictures during takeoff and landings.

Has anyone noticed that this type of thread always shows up in only place - the regional boards?? Has anyone noticed that a thread such as this never appears on the major boards?

Many on here think they are owed some amount of "respect" because of their chosen profession. However, when one reads a thread like this one sees a bunch of people griping over the feds cracking down on them taking videos of themselves flying. And you wonder why you're looked down upon by those of us at the majors.

This is a career and not some after-school job. When many of you refer to your peers as a "tool" because they follow the rules, that doesn't say much about your level of professionalism. In fact, it further reinforces the stereotype that many of you at the commuters/regionals are nothing more than a bunch of young punks with shiny-jet syndrome.

Why do you need to film yourselves in the first place? Do you honestly think that people are impressed because you fly an RJ?

mooney 10-09-2008 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 476468)
Has anyone noticed that this type of thread always shows up in only place - the regional boards?? Has anyone noticed that a thread such as this never appears on the major boards?

Many on here think they are owed some amount of "respect" because of their chosen profession. However, when one reads a thread like this one sees a bunch of people griping over the feds cracking down on them taking videos of themselves flying. And you wonder why you're looked down upon by those of us at the majors.

This is a career and not some after-school job. When many of you refer to your peers as a "tool" because they follow the rules, that doesn't say much about your level of professionalism. In fact, it further reinforces the stereotype that many of you at the commuters/regionals are nothing more than a bunch of young punks with shiny-jet syndrome.

Why do you need to film yourselves in the first place? Do you honestly think that people are impressed because you fly an RJ?

:) yup.....I was wondering if I was the only one thinking how funny this would look on the majors section

mooney 10-09-2008 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 476468)
Has anyone noticed that this type of thread always shows up in only place - the regional boards?? Has anyone noticed that a thread such as this never appears on the major boards?

Many on here think they are owed some amount of "respect" because of their chosen profession. However, when one reads a thread like this one sees a bunch of people griping over the feds cracking down on them taking videos of themselves flying. And you wonder why you're looked down upon by those of us at the majors.

This is a career and not some after-school job. When many of you refer to your peers as a "tool" because they follow the rules, that doesn't say much about your level of professionalism. In fact, it further reinforces the stereotype that many of you at the commuters/regionals are nothing more than a bunch of young punks with shiny-jet syndrome.

Why do you need to film yourselves in the first place? Do you honestly think that people are impressed because you fly an RJ?


You have it all wrong. Don't you know the number of chicks you can pick up on Myspace when they watch your video and find out you are a jet pilot???????

Splanky 10-09-2008 06:17 PM

It must be nice getting to sit on a perch.

We collectively screwed up and management won the round to send a bunch of work to the regionals. That combined with the crappy environment over the last while means a great deal of pilots have been and will continue to remain at the regionals for a while. It is not something to whine about, it just is. However, those people you look down on would have been at a major for a while given the prior environment.

Yes, it is bad to call someone a tool for following the rules. However, it seems the point most are trying to make is that the FAA chooses to pursue this issue to the detriment of more important issues that have a greater impact on safety.

LeftWing 10-09-2008 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 475891)

Originally Posted by TristarJS30 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
As opposed to upgrading their antique ATC system and creating safe duty regs to fight pilot fatigue? I think you were missing my point.

And please, don't turn this into a FlightInfo thread about those "dang young inexperienced pilots with ipods, hairgel, and no hats."



I don't need to. The subject matter of this particular thread already implies that they are the group in question.

Get off of your high horse. Don't tell me that you have never broken the sterile cockpit rule. You're being a complete hypocrite. Are you stocked up on hair products?:rolleyes:

maveric311 10-09-2008 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 475738)
We've all done it...just don't YouTube or MySpace it...

Speak for yourself. I am pretty laid back but under 10,000 is Steril cockpit for a reason. Above 10,000. maybe but only for somthing worthy of a photo, if ever.

ConnectionPilot 10-09-2008 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 476468)
Has anyone noticed that this type of thread always shows up in only place - the regional boards?? Has anyone noticed that a thread such as this never appears on the major boards?

Many on here think they are owed some amount of "respect" because of their chosen profession. However, when one reads a thread like this one sees a bunch of people griping over the feds cracking down on them taking videos of themselves flying. And you wonder why you're looked down upon by those of us at the majors.

This is a career and not some after-school job. When many of you refer to your peers as a "tool" because they follow the rules, that doesn't say much about your level of professionalism. In fact, it further reinforces the stereotype that many of you at the commuters/regionals are nothing more than a bunch of young punks with shiny-jet syndrome.

Why do you need to film yourselves in the first place? Do you honestly think that people are impressed because you fly an RJ?

Yea I would say people are impressed. Many people would kill to have the job of flying around the country. Obviously the pay isn't good, why else do you think we are here?

Btw, there are videos on YouTube from guys in the majors. Don't point the finger at regionals when everyone does it.

sigep_nm 10-09-2008 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 476468)
Has anyone noticed that this type of thread always shows up in only place - the regional boards?? Has anyone noticed that a thread such as this never appears on the major boards?

Many on here think they are owed some amount of "respect" because of their chosen profession. However, when one reads a thread like this one sees a bunch of people griping over the feds cracking down on them taking videos of themselves flying. And you wonder why you're looked down upon by those of us at the majors.

This is a career and not some after-school job. When many of you refer to your peers as a "tool" because they follow the rules, that doesn't say much about your level of professionalism. In fact, it further reinforces the stereotype that many of you at the commuters/regionals are nothing more than a bunch of young punks with shiny-jet syndrome.

Why do you need to film yourselves in the first place? Do you honestly think that people are impressed because you fly an RJ?

Hey guys I just had a 14 and half hour duty day today, and I am sure glad that there was no pictures taken because that might have been dangerous....:rolleyes:

detpilot 10-09-2008 09:54 PM

I know before I started flying, flightsim and youtube videos were excellent motivation for me. The guys who are just starting training love to see how the big boys do it. There is a reason why the "justplanes" company sells so many cockpit videos (which, btw, are never on American carriers).

blastoff 10-09-2008 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by LeftWing (Post 476519)
Get off of your high horse. Don't tell me that you have never broken the sterile cockpit rule. You're being a complete hypocrite. Are you stocked up on hair products?:rolleyes:

We're not talking about Sterile Cockpit, we're talking about taking retarded videos with one hand strapped into a camera unable to take control of the aircraft; and posting it on Youtube, along with your Myspace page next to the picture of you with "Popped Collars" at some high school party.:cool:

BoredwLife 10-09-2008 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 476614)
We're not talking about Sterile Cockpit, we're talking about taking retarded videos with one hand strapped into a camera unable to take control of the aircraft; and posting it on Youtube, along with your Myspace page next to the picture of you with "Popped Collars" at some high school party.:cool:


The original video in question was taken by a jumpseater.

LeftWing 10-10-2008 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 476614)
We're not talking about Sterile Cockpit, we're talking about taking retarded videos with one hand strapped into a camera unable to take control of the aircraft; and posting it on Youtube, along with your Myspace page next to the picture of you with "Popped Collars" at some high school party.:cool:

Actually, read the fourth paragraph in the linked article as well as several posts in this thread. This is about Sterile Cockpit.

Lab Rat 10-10-2008 05:35 AM

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Lab Rat 10-10-2008 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot (Post 476600)
Yea I would say people are impressed. Many people would kill to have the job of flying around the country. Obviously the pay isn't good, why else do you think we are here?

Btw, there are videos on YouTube from guys in the majors. Don't point the finger at regionals when everyone does it.

Believe me, I can sympathize with the pay issue - having been there and done it. I think the reason you are there is to gain experience and to better qualify yourself for more gainful employment in the future with a larger carrier/flight department - and I don't fault anyone for that.

VideoGuy 02-20-2009 10:20 AM

Maybe the FAA should quit watching Youtube videos and do some work. Just a thought anyway.

Now I have to go back to surfing the web. ;)

flyandive 02-20-2009 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by VideoGuy (Post 563565)
Maybe the FAA should quit watching Youtube videos and do some work. Just a thought anyway.

Now I have to go back to surfing the web. ;)

What else are they going to do at work? Watch the skateboarding dog again? I guess this thread is back! :eek:


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