So like....when can us regional guys jumpseat on mainline international?
 

Anyone have any idea on how ALPA is on this?

AFAIK as long as your carrier and the carrier you want to fly on have a jump seat agreement. Worked when I took NW to the Philippines and Thailand.

Has nothing to do with alpa. What you need..

1. Your company must have a jumpseat agreement with the airline in question...odds are good that you do for any US airline.

2. That airline must accept jumpseaters for international flights...some do, some may not.

3. You will not be able to occupy the cockpit jumpseat on the return flight to the US...you will need an available cabin seat. You will most likely not be able to sit in the cockpit outbound either.

For international, I'd just non-rev on your mainline partner...higher priority and better shot at first class. Some AAirlines will never allow jumpseaters in first class...

Why would you want to sit in the jumpseat for that many hours? Most regional have international js agreements... there simply needs to be a seat in the CABIN.

Why? If it's the only seat goin' where I want to, I'm going to want it too!!

I'd rather a buy a ticket than go to anywhere in Asia in the JS...or Europe from the west coast. I don't know if chiropractors are readily available overseas.

You could try a cargo airline...their "jumpseats" are usually pretty plush.

You can thank the Thousands Standing Around, Toothpaste Stealing A-holes, Taking Stuff Away, insert any other appropriate name for TSA, They won't allow cockpit jumpseaters on international flights. Stupid... JFK-HNL ok JFK-YUL can't do it.

Kalitta FTW

I despise TSA screeners as much as the next guy, but it's my understanding that it is a combination of company policy and international security regulations, not a TSA regulation. I very well could be wrong, but during a conversation with a DHS employee (not a screener btw) I was told that TSA has no issues with it and that it is purely a company/foreign relations issue.

I was just able to JS on Delta from PDX - ATL - LGW (London Gatwick) and back successfully.

The way there they put me in 1st and treated me real well, the way back they gave me a hard time and you must check in at the counter 1.5 hours prior to departure bla bla bla. I got coach which was fine on the way back.

Also had to pay some international taxes, was about 120 bucks one way, they didn't mention the taxes on the way there so not sure if I was charged; however, on the way back I had to talk to someone on the phone and pay with my Debit Card and they printed me a receipt showing I had paid the taxes.

GL

Those taxes are what the Brits charge. Even non-revs have to pay them. Usually don't have to pay airport taxes leaving the US.

You're going to find those at just about any other country you non-rev FROM. Varies from country to country but you can usually look it up in the company computer system. For whatever reason, leaving the US you don't get charged. As I recall the UK is one of the most expensive.

No, TSA forbids anyone other than assigned crew (ie check airman/relief pilot) from occupying the actual JS inbound to the US. Not sure about outbound, but obviously the destination country might have a say in that.

Since when are taxes that high? Just a few years ago HKG and ATH only ran me $60 each round-trip!!

"So like....when can us regional guys jumpseat on mainline international?"

I don't think they let people jumpseat who start sentences with "So like...." I think it's an issue of intelligence :p...

My company allows jumpseaters from any company we have an agreement with. There are plenty of regionals on it, but you may have to take an IQ test first :)

They're only that high to the UK... everywhere else is still what you remember.

He (or she!) must be 15 and in High School...Why are you even asking about Jumpseating ;)

You can sit in the actual js even if not working, on your own airline.

Bro, you're friggin' hilarious bro. You truly are a bro among bros. They must call you broseidon, king of the brocean, in your brociety.


For the people asking, "Why would you even wanna sit in the jumpseat for that long of time?!?!". It's only a 3 hour flight from CUN-ORD. Or even AMS-IAD is 5 hours, and it's on a 777 or 767, and it's better in the jumpseat than not getting back home. We're a UAX carrier and I wasn't able to list for the jumpseat from CUN-ORD on United this past week.

Not at Mesaba. The jumpseat is not allowed to be occupied by anyone on international flights. No commuting Mesaba pilots, no checkairmen, no FAA, NOBODY. Sucks, but the only 2 cities it could be an issue for us would be Winnepeg or Montreal right now anyway.

This post is ridiculous anyway.. A mainline CO pilot cannot jumpseat internationally on UA, or vice vesa. Only company pilots are allowed to on part 121 airlines.

You have to clarify when using the jumpseat term as it applies to international travel.

Can an offline pilot JS on (insert offline carrier here) to get a ride to (insert international destination here)? Of course they can. In the above case a CO pilot get on a UAL flight from say SYD and go to LAX using the JS privilege as long as there is an open seat in the back.

Are they allowed to occupy the ACTUAL cockpit JS when going to (insert international destination here)? Thats a WHOLE different deal when referring to U.S. legacy/major airlines. ACMI's handle it differently.

Atreyu. If there are open seats why would you even nonrev on UA at all don't you have to pay??

Jumpseating is EASY.

In the last month I have been to SYD BKK NRT EZE now I'm in KOA (not int'l but I thought I'd rub it In a little.

That's OK. There WAS a time when it (Hawaii) WAS considered international for JS purposes.

How was EZE? I've heard it's pretty cool. I was planning a trip there last month but it didn't work out.

Christ! Are you in these cities just long enough to grab a beer and then hop right back on an airplane?! Factor in the travel time and you must not ever work! Sorry if I seem skeptical, I think that's just the jealousy talking.;)

To answer the original poster's question, my understanding is that you can jumpseat internationally on any carrier you have an international jumpseat agreement with (check with your jumpseat coordinator). HOWEVER, you are NOT able to occupy the ACTUAL JUMPSEAT when traveling internationally i.e., there MUST be a seat in the back.

BTW, starting a question with "so like...blah blah blah" make you sound like a 15 year old high school girl. Like, totally.;)

I believe the TSA forbids this for international inbound...at least the two companies I worked for did.

I should have been more specific in my earlier post... I use the term JS for any seat on the flight. I wasn't being specific about the actual cockpit seat. So no, you can't ride up front on the inbound with every company as previously stated in other posts. Thanks gentlemen for clarifying that.

This was freak'n hysterical by the way :D

BTW, starting a question with "so like...blah blah blah" make you sound like a 15 year old high school girl. Like, totally.

At NWA we can ride in the actual for all international flights except into PVG.

That's not entirely true. I've jumpseated on AA certAAin AAirline quite AA bit and I must sAAy that I've been in First/Business ClAAss more than I've been in CoAAch.

They have put me in first more times than not also.

Sounds like they changed the policy...good to hear.

I have jumpseated on United overseas and have been treated great. I listed myself by talking to reservations agent and explained my situation (not part of United or United Express) and requested to be listed as an OMC. OMC is how United calls jumpseaters and when you check in for the return flight you must tell the check-in folks that you are a pilot and are listed as OMC. They do not always know what the term "Jumpseater" means.

Also, being listed in advance clears up any confusion about any kind of 24 or 48 hour listing rule.

I recently flew IAD-ZRH and back in United Business (incredible new business suites on the 767) and went over for free and came back for $70 for the airport fees in ZRH.

United has been terrific to me as a jumpseater and non-revver over the years and I don't hesitate to recommend them.

How do you do this (International Jumpseat on AA Mainline)?

What can I point to when gate agents won't budge? Last time I jumpseated on a domestic flight the pilots got out their GOM and read through it and I remember it sounding very vague.

When gate agents pull us up on Sabre, it says jumpseat approved but when the category of international comes up it says something of the disapproval nature. My hope is that the disapproval is just for cockpit jumpseating and not cabin jumpseating.

any past experience appreciated.

AA has a history of disapproving regional carriers with no international destinations for international JSing. Do you fly to CA or Mexico?

Is your carrier on their international reciprocal JS list? Some are, some are not.

Again, depends. Some are, some are not. I don't think AA doesn't considers Mexico/Canada to be an international destination.

I believe I read in another thread that SouthWest is on their international JS list, as well as UPS.