Oh this is good! JO victimized!
 

Poor guy! Bwaahahahahahahah!:D:p

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There is justice in the world, Bill Boyer (I believe) used to be a ramper for AK Air that got the axe in that double-cross in Seattle, and (I know) he also "invented" the Dig-E Player they use on their longer hauls. Now he owns his own airline and is taking down go!, love it.

We intend to be there now and forever," said Ornstein.

What an Maggot.. I sense JO is living in a different world.. I hope he ends up in Jail and Rots there...

Isnt mesa the arch-enemy of EVERYONE?? Anyone would be happy to put another little slice into mesa, not just RAH :)

I believe it's RAH that's taking down Go!. They're providing the planes, the crews, and the funding. All Boyer is doing is lending his paint scheme and website.

They could not have done this as easily without Boyer in place, also the agreement is that Boyer's company is paying RAH for the operation of the aircraft regardless of actual loads, Boyer is the one who will be required to sell the tickets, RAH can fly the jets for him all year and never see a passenger, he would still have to pay for the operation of the aircraft.

It's a paper trick. RAH loaned Boyer 8 million so that Boyer could turn around and pay RAH for the fuel. It's going branded without going branded. Boyer can't afford 4 E-jets off Caravans.

Hahaha, I love it! Keep in mind, however, many have come and gone in Hawaii and I really don't hold out much hope that this RAH deal is going to be any better. Doesn't sound very well put together.

Good stuff none the less.

If there's anything you can bank on it's that BB isn't getting in a deal unless he knows there's profit. One way or another. He could be after assets I'm not sure but I am sure he's going to make money. This wasn't something in dire need. The company was already situated, furloughs etc, to keep those planes parked and still pull a profit. For this to happen there's a diamond hidden in the rough out there somewhere.

The diamond in the rough is undercutting an already shaky Go! operation and dominating the inter-island routes. J.O. is a moron for thinking Go! will ever succeed. My guess is he'll wager all of Mesa on the Go! operation purely out of ego for his 'own airline'.

He already has.

Yeah, well I hear we're getting 737's any day now, so...

Well that's enough for about 2500 block on an E-170 right? I mean you can't just keep an airline running on an 8 million dollar loan. Theres money in there somewhere and Boyer is the one who had to see it, I doubt Republic would have jumped into the frying pan in HI without him.

Lets just hope that Republic can crush GO!
Come on Republic boys and girls do your best over there: crush the axis of evil!

I personally think you guys are dreaming. Ornestein while being the the successor of Lorenzo, the sleeze ball of the modern airline industry he has yet to loose too much in a fight.

This guy will give away seats for free and fly empty airplanes throwing flowers all over RAH bases just to take away customers from them. Hack that guy is so nuts he might just pay commission to his pilots for grabbing people in the terminal from BB's airlines.

Watch and see. I don't think that guy is going anywhere. He'll sell his soul to the devil just to put in the last word.

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RAH I just want to say Good Luck, we are all counting on you.

LOL! While I was at MAG we actually had one 737-200 and a sim. It was an old HP bird. Of course they was sold when he knew there was no way in hell the pilots wouln't fly it for his peanut wages.:D I think I still have a copy of the mx manuals on disk somewhere.

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JO is upset!

"Jonathan kind of talks a lot but Jonathan should look at his own operation before talking to other people about past due bills. That's all I have to say," responded Boyer.

I have a new hero. LOL

How do you fix a rat problem? Get a cat.

When's the Aloha lawsuit?

Yeah, let's get it over with, so JO can be a two time loser. Oh wait, he already is a loser. :rolleyes:

I am glad I don't work for that hypocritical whining sleezebag anymore. It sure is nice to be watching the show from my LAMA chair.

As always, I encourage Mesa pilots to get out from under JO's rule and see the light. He is a labor crunching corrupt man.

R.I.P. Aloha (Passenger side) and the best to those who lost their jobs there.

Remember where it started

I believe in April...

Yea, RAH is too busy taking down the Midwest pilot group right now.

That was a low blow. Whether or not our management is trying to take down Midwest can be debated. I do not see why. Since we do not compete with Midwest, it just does not make sense. The way I see it is that our company in trying to make a buck(all be it on the backs of the Midwest pilots). Idle planes are worthless planes and RAH is trying to get those planes flying. RAH found a way to make that happen and unfortunately, we got in bed with Midwest.

How do you figure? Try backing your statements with something substantial.

1. Did RAH approach Midex or did Midex approach RAH?

2. Did RAH make the decisions for Midex to pull aircraft?

3. Did RAH tell Midex what % of paycut to ask from it's pilot group?

4. How long could Midex have lasted without the cash loan from RAH?

I haven't seen you make any sort of intelligent post yet. If you don't have the knowledge to answer those questions then I'll just add this to your already distinguished list. :rolleyes:

Do you ever get tired of adamantly defending RAH any time their name is mentioned on this board? Your views are well known and apparently not shared by many others, and you're about to derail another thread.

I'm not defending RAH for anything. I'm not for this so don't go putting words in my mouth. If my views were well known you'd know that I don't like it. I just haven't seen mking have any relevance to any post of his yet. Those questions I asked I don't know the answers to. If he does then I'd like to know. If he doesn't then he's just full of it. What's wrong with wanting accuracy and not some personal smear campaign? So far seems like most "ranters" are mad because the RAH management accepted flying. Both unions and pilot groups have been requesting information regarding the Midex/RAH deal and both still don't know the answers to any of the questions above. Since we don't know how this deal came to be, who went to who, who proposed what, etc. then statements like the one above are just rants based on nothing. I couldn't oppose this transaction more and none of the people whining here know any of the details about it. I'm not adamantly defending RAH anymore than you AWAC in many of your posts. Lighten up.

The Hawaiian people will fly Mokulele especially if they are looking to hire 400 former Aloha guys. The people there have a lot a pride and they know what Go! did to Aloha. The islands are small and everyone almost knows each other there. A lot of friends, family members, etc were effected by the shutdown of Aloha. So there will be an overnight loyalty to Mokulele if they hire so many locals. My guess is if they only do interisland flying then perhaps even Hawaiian may code share with them and just do mainland Hawaii flights. (though that is just a guess) Sad part is that I heard that many if not most of the Go! pilots are not even locals. I think Karma has a lot to do with this, if Mesa just did what RAH did or would have just bought Hawaiian/Aloha they would have been in good shape and dominated HI. I say all this is because I lived there and my family lives there.

I do not know the details of the contract between RAH and Mokulele, but as I understand it, RAH pilots will fly RAH planes. The hiring of the 400 former Aloha guys will be other positions, such as, ticket/gate agents and rampers. That would be my guess.

Yup...they are hiring locals for positions as flight attendants as well as ramp, gate agents, etc. As for pilots, you'd be stupid if you think we are going to let them hire locals in Hawaii to fly our planes when we have guys on the street.

I definately agree! Being born and raised in Hawaii, and (RAH furlough'd) I can tell you there will be over night loyalty to Mokulele. Hawaii is VERY family oriented and, Aloha (Airlines) had a long history in the islands. Folks know what role Go/Mesa played in it's shut down. Go's days are numbered.
Hope to bid to go back home someday. Left in 82 for a career in the USAF. It would be a joy to fly in the islands where I grew up. Funny how life works...

From what I read in the local papers in HI, Mokulele does plan to hire more pilots if they do expand their fleet. So I think right now all eyes are on RAH and see how well they do for Mokulele. As far as regional flying for Hawaiian from Mokulele, it was more of a sarcastic wish that I was typing out loud. haha ahhhh going to HI today for a few days... wondering if RAH has their planes out there already.