Has anyone ever timed out?
 

When you reach 1,000 hrs, can the company legally make you work any more? For example, "office work," or ferry flights, that sort of stuff. I'm 99.9999% certain that ferry flights count towards the 1,000 hrs/yr, but our mgmt preaches that it's legal for 8 hrs/day, 16 hr duty, etc. as long as it's at the tail end of the day. I'm not so much worried about them trying to make me do part 91 stuff because I know it's illegal... but knowing my company, I'm anticipating that they'll try to make me do SOMETHING... I am just wondering if I have any legal rights regarding NOT doing office work (i.e., anything not pilot-related.)
Also, if I end up not working at all in December, is the company legally obligated to still pay me the 75 hrs guarantee pay? I would assume that that's why it's called "monthly guarantee," but I'm wondering if there is any legal way the company can get around NOT paying me, since I'm not working at all.

ugh, the stuff that you have to worry about when you work for a shady airline with no union. :(

It would depend on what your union contract says... but per FAR's after you hit 1000 in the calendar year you are done with 121 flying but could still do 91 flying. Pay again would depend on contract, but I don't know of any place that you wouldn't be still getting your monthly minimum...

SkyWest quits paying you if you time out. They will also make you sit reserve for ferry and mx flights.

Everyone I know in 121's ops that timed out for the year made guarantee their last month. Thats a lot of work!

But then again they were all union... unlike Skywest.

Yeah...
 

After I hit 1400 flying 121 I got paid unemployment by the government... god bless the USA.

I timed out one year at XJT. I worked all year to make it happen. Ended up with 994 hours in the last week of NOV. I timed out and they had to drop my last trip in NOV and then i bid a line in DEC that was worth 103 hours pay. They had to pay me for everything they dropped. I then bid the first 2 weeks of JAN off also. Ended up getting paid for 2 months without ever having to go to work. It was fantastic.

I was on pace to do the same at TSA, but I stopped picking up time when we started furloughing...I'll still only have 50 hrs left in DEC

I hear the Mesa guys get sent to work lav service when they time out.

lol

uh oh......

They definately will not pay guarantee if you time out and go home. But they cannot make you sit reserve without paying you either. They would have to let you bid, then have you sit reserve in the footprint of your line award...and pay you for your line.

lmao!

that was good

That sounds pretty sheisty if it's true. Even if they don't make you sit reserve, I would be pretty bummed about not getting a pay check around Xmas time. Can someone please explain to me again why SkyWest is so great cause I'm still not getting it.:rolleyes:

When I was in training I was told that we get paid our guarantee if we time out. They said it happend to 2 or 3 ppl last year. Makes sence cuz it is all company flying so there is no reason why they wouldn't pay you. Otherwise getting high block hrs would suck. One yrs worth of guarantee is 900hrs of pay already anyways.

It's not "great", it's just better than most regionals. For a lot of us, location is factor in that. At least it sets in a fine location... ;)

If you DID fly enough at SKW to time out for ALL of Dec, you would have made some much 1.5x during the year that you wouldn't need a paycheck at that point.

Everyone I've spoken with has told me you're SOL if you time-out...Now THAT is absolutely my biggest complaint here, and worth going to talk to Uncle Jerry about with ALPA-ballot in hand!

I was all set to time-out in EARLY November, but cut my schedule back a bit as I'm back in school. Even still, with my reduced schedule I'll be blocking a hair shy of 1000 hours this year.

i guess pinnacle has it good in this area. if you are going to time out the company will start buying you off trips so you dont. a friend of mine here at pinnacle is set to time out in november. he had a 95 hour line this month. they bought 50 of his hours from him. so he will fly 45 hours this month and get paid for 95. same will go for november and december. and if you actually time out you will just get guarantee.

on a side note.. i never want to have to worry about timing out, hence my 75 hour lines all year.

Can't complain about that! Sounds like you've got it good in that department for sure!

pilots 1 : management 1000, we are gaining ground!

I think that's the trick...don't time out in NOV.

You guys work too much, I have only flown 900 hours the past two years.

In my case, that is true. But I don't think flying a lot is necessarily indicative of working a lot... what I mean is, it is absolutely possible to have flown 1,000 hrs and have worked LESS than someone who flew 900 hrs. For me, working means any time I am on duty. Even when I have long sits at airports, that is WORK (even though they don't pay me for it!) At places like Colgan, we often have long duty days with not much block... for example, 10 hr duty day with 5 hrs block. Whereas an efficiently built line could have a pilot flying 6 hrs with 8 hrs duty day, for example. Depending on where you work and what kind of seniority you have, you could have a 30 hr line with 11 days off, or 90 hr line, with 15 days off. That's what I mean.

Anyway, from what I'm reading so far, it sounds like for someone timing out, what you get in Dec. is based purely on either what mgmt says or what the contract says depending on if you're unionzed or not. Well, we don't have a contract here, so I think the important thing to know is if mgmt can indeed LEGALLY give me non-flying tasks or not pay me guarantee in Dec. :confused:

Right there with ya, IMA... I think I might get to 1000 by 2nd week in December...

LoL Now I never took you for a work-a-holic :D

I know a flight attendant who has been here at TSA for almost two years and she has flown somewhere in the vicinity of 200 hours. Bid that reserve and use your sick time wisely.

You are my hero. :D

I flew that much in 7 months, and I still didn't set the per month record here.