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Old 10-28-2008, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
I'd go with ALPA over Teamsters. ALPA isn't great, but they do at least specialize. They also have many more resources that you just won't get with Teamsters. The ALPA Aeromedical unit is just one small example of a service available to members that you won't get with the others...

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I can agree with this statement with a personal story. I had a yearly physical (not a medical or even an AME doc) where they did blood work, my first EKG, a true "checkup" and they found something "odd" with my EKG. I was currently flying 121 and was told I needed to see a specialist and report this on my next medical. I called ALPA aeromedical and within an hour I had a doc from Denver calling me to discuss my situation. They lined me up with a heart specialist within my insurance company who worked with pilots (lots of FDX guys in MEM that see this guy). When I showed up for the specialist appt the doc had already received all the documents the FAA would need and a list of required tests. I was put through the treadmill and heart echo (ultrasound of the heart- cool piece of machinery!) and was told I am "healthy as a horse, just a little weird from the factory". I was given the required documents I would need for my next medical and was even called by the Denver doc a few days later asking if I had any other questions and informing me what I needed to tell the AME. If I had not had ALPA to take care of all of this I would have been DENIED my medical, had to do all the tests, and had a waiting period on my medical. I figure it saved me my job. Total cost? $0 extra for aeromedical, $10 copay for the specialist. I received the bill from insurance showing what they paid and it was over $5K. So without aeromedical I would have been unable to fly (or get paid) and most likely would have had to fork over thousands to get my medical back. I am not a cheerleader here, but the resources of your 2% reach far and wide. Also, the AME told me that since all the paperwork was already submitted before my medical exam and I saw a "preferred FAA doc" I wouldn't have to do anything special for medicals, if I hadn't I most likely needed to get an EKG every year, or even 6 months even though I was only 22. Heck I wasn't even off of my first year yet so I wasn't even paying dues yet.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski View Post
Colgan guys will be opening up an ALPA Vote real soon here, at least they are trying to improve things.

Thank you. We are trying, and eventually we will.
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kalyx522 View Post
they have until 11/4 (I believe) to file their cards. if they do, they will be included in the ballot, and people can vote for either one and the union with the majority votes will win.

if they dont file their cards, only ALPA will be on the ballot. this may dissuade some of those diehard IBT guys from voting, and thus if the vote fails AGAIN, any union who wants to try again has to wait ANOTHER year. what I'm saying is if IBT doesnt file this time, they're gonna have to wait another year. that is another 12 months without a contract. 1 more year of BS like street captains being allowed to transition ahead of guys senior to them. I hope those IBT guys think about this before they decide not to vote, if they are truly for representation.
The IBT folks I know realise any union is better than no union.
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitts S2B View Post
The only thing you will gain is turboprop PIC (which, IMO, will not get you far). Get hired at a larger regional. Second year FO pay is better than what you will make as a captain! Then upgrade, get jet PIC and go from there!
Dude, I'm honestly not sure which planet you're living on, but PIC turbine is exactly THAT. The ONLY company I've ever heard of that doesn't accept prop time is Emirates ... and sure that's a great company if you want to go overseas. But pilots from Colgan have gone to EVERY major airline in the Country ... so don't even try to give us that BS... and what regional airline out there is 2nd year FO pay higher than $41.50?!?! Please, tell me
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:09 PM
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I think since we got 70% of the pilot group to send in cards this time, we have a much better chance of getting the vote to pass ... last year, it was a bit rushed I think. If it doesn't pass this time ... we deserve to be screwed over ... over and over again
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Old 10-28-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitts S2B View Post
The only thing you will gain is turboprop PIC (which, IMO, will not get you far). Get hired at a larger regional. Second year FO pay is better than what you will make as a captain! Then upgrade, get jet PIC and go from there!
*** ???? SWA, Air Tran, and CAL are full of BE1900 Captains that were hired with zero jet time.... PIC turbine is PIC turbine at most of the carriers. The people I hear making that distinction most of the time are the 300 hr right seat wonders that think everything is jet time.. or some HR person who knows very little about aviation. True.. jet time is quality time.. but it's not the only time. When I've sat on hiring boards and done sim checks, I've actually found the turbo-prop guys to have a little better air sense and better monkey skills. Fight for that PIC time..
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:47 PM
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I don't know if someone said this already, I didn't get to read all the posts. The way I understood things was displaced pilots would be retrained for available positions before pilots that have not been displaced. It was suposed to be the same for those displaced out of their crew bases, although it didn't seem to work that way.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
Delta was hiring this past year with SIC time, as was USAir and JB.
True Delta dropped their PIC time officially, but how many FOs without it do you know of that got hired, unless they REALLY knew someone? Some were hired, but not nearly as many as those that had their resumes thrown out.
As for JetBlue, yes some people went there, but only after they too dropped the PIC requirement, which happened to coincide with the whole situation over there looking a lot less rosy, in order to attract applicants.

End of the day, TPIC time trumps any type of SIC time.


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The IBT folks I know realise any union is better than no union.
Just remind them to vote, regardless. Everyone that chooses not to vote at all is the same as voting against ALL union options.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:03 PM
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Dude, I'm honestly not sure which planet you're living on, but PIC turbine is exactly THAT. The ONLY company I've ever heard of that doesn't accept prop time is Emirates ...
And RJ's won't satisfy the Emirates requirement either. It used to, but since the deluge of applications began in earnest, they now say they will only consider jet time experience of 737 or equivalent and larger.
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:10 PM
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supply and demand, TPIC is TPIC time, however if they are flooded with JET PIC guys they will want Heavier JET PIC etc.........

I would rather have 200HRS of SAAB PIC then 3,000hrs of JET SIC, but thats just me
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