Punkpilot48

Yeah do this and be loved by all the senior FO's that might have upgraded if the company wasnt hirring off the street captains.

XtremeF150

A few words of advice on the DEC positions that might be found. I went this route as I had alot of time and it did land a CA position in a turboprop. Well lets look at the positives of this
Instant 121 PIC and much better pay (even if i was fo in a much larger jet)

However, the negatives
If you do fail the ATP/ type ride you will be displaced to FO anyways with a record of failing a training event. (in my airline this also seat locks you for upgrade) Maybe you pass the Ride and find your self finishing IOE and ready to take your Fed ride. Again fail this trouble follows. Depending on how bad it went they can snatch those hard earned certificates you have, not just the ATP. One guy I know managed to get busted all the way to PVT with student privelages. (I believe this is usually related to a 709 ride).
Ok and suppose you get all that past you, if you make a mistake on the line, most companies have a self disclosure policy meaning the first time you are rushed and dont catch a mistake on the 8 page release, an MEL that has no control # in the ADL or one that isn't logged or one of 1000's of other things you are responsible for on that 10 - 20 minute turn then the company is going to let the FAA know about it. Sorry for that sentence .

Finally, if weighing all those you decide to take this route, you have to find a company that is having trouble with getting enough people with legal mins to upgrade. Because unlike the last guy said, they will not let a guy off the street jump in front of a qualified line guy. The union won't allow it. However at places that take the 300 hour guys, they sometimes take so long to get ATP/ ICAO mins that the run out of qualified CA upgrade candidates.

Hope this helped and my sentence structure doesn't give anyone a headache

Oh one last thing, that guy that is mad because someone upgraded ahead of him is likely a PFT that started with very low times. I guess he just had to learn his lesson the hard way right. Maybe this will convince some PFT not to become lifers in the right seat.

XtremeF150

Punkpilot48

Its not just a union. Its a company. See TSA a few years before 9/11

Waterboy622

A little FYI. I had the same e-mail sent to me after filling out the on line application (and I too have the mins.) I called the phone number posted on the web site and asked them to go through the application with me to see what was wrong with it. Long story short, I had accidentally hit a button wrong when it comes to recency of experience and didn't realize it. After asking the helpdesk rep to correct it he said there was nothing he could do and that I would have to wait 3 months to try to re-apply. Nobody to blame but myself. This could be what happened in this case too. Either way you will have to wait 3 months to re-do the application. Seems that in another 3 months this hiring boom will be fizzled out. Better luck next time.

1013dot25hPa

Hey Waterboy,

I'm sorry to hear that. That may be the case what happened to me as well. I'm not sure, but don't think so. I will call them as well and find out and post here.

mr2die4

Quick post now. In my class at XJT three months ago there were 14 academy grads, (some ATP, some Delta Connection Academy, some Regional Airline Academy) and 2 higher time 135 corporate guys. We all did very well, with no gaps between the low time and higher time people. I think the spread was

lowest: 500tt
highest: 3000tt

Those three schools do have interview agreements with XJT, and they are probably flooded with those guys and gals right now. Keep sending in your resume. Oh, I have heard the "over qualified" line numerous times since I started paying attention to XJTs hiring history. From what I could see, they want em young and gullible (like me). I have even heard that they get an insurance break for hiring from an academy, but I have no proof of that.

ERJ135

For those who get hired with 500tt isn't there a problem with upgrading with such low PIC time?

Punkpilot48

only some companies have hour restrictions on upgrade. As I am aware xjet doesn't have one but with the 3~5 year (from whta I've heard) upgrade time usually isnt a problem.

mr2die4

Try 2-3 year. And I havnt heard anything about hour problems. You just gotta be 23.

Short Bus Drive

Well you have to meet the mins for the ATP certificate, but then there's the seniority issue.
I know at some places they have to hire off the streets because pilots on the seniority list don't meet the requirements.