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Originally Posted by rickkane
(Post 500041)
my friend (as my boy mccain would say) i could care less about bashing YOUR job. just like i could care less about bashing the guy driving the truck on the interstate or the guy that picks up my recycables every wednesday morning. i was just completely taken back by what i thought was a good work environment at mesaba. the work rules you talk about with 14 hour days and 1.5 pay for extra flying are pretty standard at any airline so i wouldnt consider that a big bonus. obviously you like where you are so good for you. its obvious with how defensive you got the minute someone said, "there is no way i would work for that". i wish you plenty of success. once again.... thanks for the advice on what i should do with my spare time.
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Originally Posted by rickkane
(Post 500038)
thanks for the kind word of praise:) but the fact is i was referring to your pay "after" the snapback you so quickly jump too. 34/hour for an fo on a jet is pretty poor at 3rd year. i guess you will now say that "its ok cause i will upgrade in a year or two". well your captain pay was not looking too hot either. i'm not knocking you for accepting what you got. i would never do it...but we are all different. i just always thought mesaba was on par and not a bunker and water foul away. to give you an idea fo pay at comair was around 45 hour for three year fo on the 70/90 at the same pay scale you are referring to (time-line wise) eight year fo pay? try around 52/hour. does that give you some perspective as to what i am accustomed to? so when i look at your pay and say WOW! maybe now you know why.
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Don't let him get to you. Comair has some exceptionally good work rules (except DH pay), the problem though is that Comair routinely takes us to the limits of our contract and far too often beyond those limits on a daily basis so when we see a payscale or work rules worse than ours we assume we would be treated even worse over there. Since my app is one of many over there I really hope that is not the case. A friend of mine furloughed from Mesaba in 2005, and now back on reserve at Comair, told me they would much rather be on reserve there than here, so I remain optimistic.
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From talking to classmates that decided to stay at Comair instead of taking recall to Mesaba, strictly speaking on reserve I would MUCH rather be at Mesaba even with them now implementing ready reserve.
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Originally Posted by rickkane
(Post 500041)
my friend (as my boy mccain would say) i could care less about bashing YOUR job. just like i could care less about bashing the guy driving the truck on the interstate or the guy that picks up my recycables every wednesday morning. i was just completely taken back by what i thought was a good work environment at mesaba. the work rules you talk about with 14 hour days and 1.5 pay for extra flying are pretty standard at any airline so i wouldnt consider that a big bonus. obviously you like where you are so good for you. its obvious with how defensive you got the minute someone said, "there is no way i would work for that". i wish you plenty of success. once again.... thanks for the advice on what i should do with my spare time.
Saying "I could care less" means that you care more than the minimum. Sorry for being a grammar Nazi. |
Originally Posted by Dude
(Post 500056)
Yeah, and look at where those payscales have gotten Comair. .....
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the pay rates/work rules at comair have gotten comair one of the most senior pilot groups in the regional industry. not because they cant go anywhere. they dont want to go anywhere. their schedules are good and the work rules are some of the best. its pretty much common sense why things are growing at mesaba. 1) you shrank to around 400 pilots 2) you have one of the lowest paying pay scales in the industry 3) you still have the infrastructure to grow 4) you were just acquired by us (delta).
for the last time. if you think i am bashing mesaba? nope and dont care. your life is YOUR life. i am simply stating that there is NO way i would ever work for what you do and i am very surprised people do it. if you dont like the fact that i say i woudnt work under those conditions. sorry. just like you are entitled to your opinion...so am i. |
Originally Posted by rickkane
(Post 500030)
i was dumbfounded to read how horrific your work rules and pay are. obviously your stuck with what you have...i just hope you know how bad it really is.
Horrific work rules? You just said a post earlier 'industry average', which is it? IMO they are industry average if not a little better. Oh and at the end of our contract, if management plays the pinnacle/ASA game and we go 4 years without a new contract, we get cost of living raises, an unprecidented clause among regional contracts. |
well lets see? horrific or industry average? how about below average payscales in a horrific regional industry. i do like the 4 year clause you have in your contract. please quit wasting my time defending your contract. I DONT CARE that you think its great. just like you DONT CARE that i think its crap. move on already. no more responses to this as far as i am concerned. im glad your getting flying. just dont go taking my job at mainline and we will have no issues. right now it seems i am ok but if mainline starts furloughing and you guys keep hiring then it will be a mud fight. till then....good luck.
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Originally Posted by bgmann
(Post 499933)
Cus were looking at 10 years till captain. And I am on the bottom of seniority as it is.
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