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Just heard that the DCA pilot manager is quitting and going to greener pastures! Maybe that manager can get a job for the PHL pilot manager and the ARW pilots can start getting respect from base managers instead of the harassment that they receive on a daily basis!
This is a good day, for the pilot group, but I think that this means that the writing is on the wall for the future of AWAC.
The day that you start seeing managers leaving is like watching rats running off a sinking ship.
RIP AWAC

The truth lies not in who leaves but in who comes in to replace them.....

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Get a life. Let's see, we've had more High Level managers come on than one low domicile manager leave. Maybe with your intuitive perspective you can start a column for the WSJ and predict everyone's future. Hmmm...the PHL domicile manager left and we are still here. Where was your statement then? This has nothing to do with the status of AWAC. I'd be willing to bet that the pay and bennies at his new job trump what he has at AWAC.

Maybe if you're so willing to bet the future of AWAC you oughta jump ship with him. If you even work here. If not, go speculate elsewhere with your genius insight.

Whiskey

yes, managers have come and left before, but times are different than the past. AWAC has 70 CRJ-200's that are old, tired aircraft and EXPENSIVE to operate. This is just the start, like I said, when you see rats running off a ship, it's has a good chance that it is sinking. So if we start seeing other managers and key people in ATW seeking "Early Retirement", make sure that your resumes are up-to-date!
I am looking for jobs, both in the industry and out, but with the economy its hard to find a job, plus I still have a check coming, how much longer, that is the question. 2015 when the current USAir contract expires, I would say AWAC has less than 50/50 of renewing it.

Me thinks UrbanCowboy is just some poor schlub with 4 hours left sitting airport reserve who got bored and decided to stir the pot some. Nothing to see here.

Nope, sitting at home watching a company that was industry leading do down the crapper!

I don't know AWAC's management organization, but it sounds like the pilot manager is more of a middle management position. A departure of that kind of position doesn't mean the company is going down the crapper. However, if consider companies like Comair who are on their 4th CEO in 5 years, one begins to question the company's survivability.

Comair and Compass just had major shake up way above a base mngr. Wow dude, I agree with the previous caller I am glad I dont share your outlook on life. ASA,SW, Comair all have a ton of 50 seaters. They have to be flown til the $$ obligation is over. You cant say well I dont want them anymore I want bigger ones. My guess is that AWAC is doing the safe thing not overextending in these times. Look at RAH, they would fly the Devil, what did that get them? Created the petting ZOO in PIT til after some crazy back door deal got the work in MKE MCI. Thats the third airline those planes have flown for and they are still pretty new.

Well folks we have a winner for today's "Richard Cranium" award.

Well done UrbanCowboy!!

[/QUOTE] 2015 when the current USAir contract expires, I would say AWAC has less than 50/50 of renewing it.[/QUOTE]

When AWAC loaned USAir 35 mil a few weeks ago, didn't that give AWAC the option to extend the contract past 2015?

I cannot see our planes making it past 2015 they are getting old.

As for the base manager I wish him the best at his next venture. He will do just fine and AWAC will have some big shoes to fill.

Is it even official that DM left???? Wouldnt they have put out an Email that he left?????

Urban Cowboy....do you even work here??? If not.....keep statements to yourself untill offical word has come out.

I think Piedmont was saying the same thing 10 years ago. Northwest was saying it 20 years ago. UPS was... oh, nevermind.

CRJ's are relatively young.

Its easy to see that Urban Cowboy works for AWAC. Please read and make sure you understand a post before you comment on it. It makes you look dumb.

That is all....

EDIT: more rumors
Phoenix base possible
more furloughs
training dept planing on ramping up
NEW BASE IN CHINA!

Now, these are all rumors! I don't check this forum that often so don't ask me any questions.

People make posts about other airlines all the time....its "easy to see" that you indeed dont check this forum very often.

My point was that if this was official...we would have received a company email about it....which we have not.

Yeah,,,,it's official. Heard from the Northern Tier today. Not via email, but a phonecall.

Urban,
The early retirement is for the pilots chump. Not execs in ATW. It has nothing to do with them.

Either way, this company is in no way a sinking ship. I think their position is very well right now. I think AWAC will be around longer than some expect. Including yourself. If it scares you so much, to think one person is leaving, pack your bags and go with him. One less rat makes it a cleaner ship.

Whiskey

No doubt dude....I think we are gonna be around for a while....im hoping its just in bigger airplanes. I like to try and keep positive for the most part....mostly because I still love what I do...and despite all the BS....id still rather be here than anywhere else.

lol you gonna apply for the recently Vacant Domicle Mgr/Cheif Pilot Position??? lol you got my vote! :D

You must live in base, or at least on the east coast? I think thats the only way you can enjoy that place any more.

Not to be all negative but just for the other people out there who might want a different perspective...that place is no where near the airline that it used to be. ATW does not care one bit about the pilot group, definitely not how the old CP cared about the pilots. if they can think of a way to screw with you guys, they will, anything to save a penny. All the owners care about is making money (and thats their prerogative), but the family atmosphere isn't there any more, IMHO.

As you can tell, I didn't feel the way you did any longer, so I got out. Its been much better for me after leaving. The bottom line is nothing is secure anymore, just be ready for anything.

You got the numbers reversed... Comair is actually on their 5th CEO in 4 years.

AWAC is probably better positioned than many other regionals. I would read exactly nothing into the departure of DM. Just a dude looking for something else. Used AWAC and his current position as a stepping stone, something most people do when they come to a regional.

As far as the CL-65s getting old. Well, the newest one is not even 5 years old and the oldest is less than 10. Not that old in the airline world. They'll be around until the owners can get out of the leases.

So which is it?? ;)

I know a few people didn't like DM, but he got all the dirty work that Frisch used to do sometime in late 06/early 07 and THAT gave him a reputation. In all my dealings with him, he was nothing short of an upstanding guy and a VERY good domicile manager. He took all the vitriol and crap from pilots without losing the smile on his face, took no joy in disciplining pilots (at least he told me that multiple times) and was a genuine family man.

Best of luck to him at his new gig...its a brass-ring kinda job!

- former #14493

DM is an upstanding guy who goes to bat for his pilots. Sometimes he can help and sometimes he cant. I wish him the best.

If you had a job offer making almost 200k a year what would you do? Stay at AWAC or work for a stable drug company? Please...

On a side note I only dealt with him once for a safety issue at DCA (imagine that!) he was very helpful and kept me in the loop as my issue went up the command chain.

I myself have also had nothing bad to say about him...I know alot of guys had beef with him. Maybe we'll get lucky and ESL will get a job offer too ;)

Petting Zoo...HILARIOUS! LMAO :D

Welcome to the party... The petting Zoo is gone now and most of our guys are back to work due much impart to saving Midwest (good or bad) and our managements "fly the devil" attitude that keeps our airplanes and crews working.

There are so many things wrong with that paragraph, I don't know where to begin...

Thankfully they were able to save Midwest!! Now Midwest has 9 airplanes flying due to the incredible generosity of Republic Airways!

Kenny, pick a spot please enlighten us with your wisdom. Had you read the thread you would see that I was only commenting on some other things said. If you are picking on my grammar, there has got to be better things to do with your time.

And saab2000 you may of missed the point here. 9 is better then Zero which is where it was heading. It may still be too late. I am certain that the people of Midwest Airlines that still have jobs are thankful that Republic was able to help them keep those jobs. Keeping in mind there are other employees besides pilots.

I am sure the need for help was expressed to Skywest (the regional already taking Midwest/Skyway jobs) in some manner and they either passed or felt differently about it. I for one am not going to apologize for the manner in which our management keeps my ass in seat, food on my table and our company profitable.

That said my thoughts go out to all of those this holiday season who are less fortunate. With a little luck next season may be more merry.

First off I dont think kenny was pointing out grammar...I think he was refering to the paragraph as a whole

And 9 is not better than 0 if the Crews taking over the flying make substantially less than the original pilots.

It's your managments fault...I know...you guys had nothing to do with it.

But imagine if you guys were your own airline...were told you were too expensive to operate....so they are gonna cut your fleet down and Gulfstream pilots are gonna be taking over the flying for all buy 9 of your precious 170's...making a 1/3 of the pay...youd be pretty bitter about it too wouldnt you?

Grounded,

I do indeed have far better things to do with my time than go around correcting the inarticulate posts and kindergarten level spelling I see on this board from time to time. You obviously missed the point of my post, which was heavily laced with a slight hint of sarcasm.

You may be well patting yourself on the back for "saving" Midex (I still can't believe you had the nerve to say that, even on an anonymous forum) but I think you would find, if you took the time to stop being so smug, that the Midex crews are far from grateful to Shutubqua. Certainly not the 2 crews I sat with from DCA-MKE and back, a couple of weeks ago.

Their feeling is that they would rather have had a choice to go down with the ship, so to speak, rather than have someone like you telling them they should be grateful to the mighty E-Jet pilots of RAH for flying aircraft in Midex colors, on Midex routes and for substantially less.

A little bit of common sense and humility goes a long way in this business. You should try them sometime.

Ah, here is where we are not communicating. I never patted anyone, certainly not myself on the back for taking a higher paying job off the market. If you look around at many of my postings you will find that I am very much disappointed in the way things have gone in this industry.

Frankly I'd have rather seen MedEx burn down. I believe until one of the big boys, and no offense to MedEx but, I mean the real big boys goes down in flames because the flight crews are holding a picket sign instead of a yoke, only then when upper management gets kicked to the curb and shareholders loose it all will things in this industry change and we may start getting the pay and respect we deserve.

I am guessing you missed the (good or bad) part of my original statement. My intent with that was to not impose my feelings about it. And while I am certain that anyone loosing a job at MedEx is bitter about it all I am guessing the baggage handler making ends meet is pretty happy the pilots didn't get to vote to sink the ship, just yet.

And need I remind anyone we have our own challenges with this whole deal. If the MedEx crews decide to lower themselves to flying two less people around while keeping their airline alive they will be taking airplanes from my company. I won't blame the crews a bit but, I'd like to see some of them walking a line for us like we did for them when the time comes.

I don't like the way the MedEx deal came down. I will not however turn my back on a company that is proactive in finding homes for its assets. I can't sit by and let my own house burn down while putting my neighbors out, I'd think you may not either.

This threads been Jacked enough, I meant no disrespect to anyone.