If not an XJT/ASA pilot then get off the bus!
08-11-2010, 12:26 AM
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If not an XJT/ASA pilot then get off the bus!
I was reading some threads about the ASA/XTJ merger and I am like applaed of some of the ignorance out there! Like one idiot does not even know who Expressjet flies for! like which rock is this guy living under!
Here are a little facts about Expressjet:
Before we parked the 135s, we were the biggerst EMB 135/145 operator . . . I think with about 239 EMB 145s now we might still be. Before also we parked the 135s we had also the biggest all jets fleet.
We are also one of the highest paid regional airline pilots. Our 50 seater pay compares to 70 and 90 seater pay on some other regionals.
We also have one of the best contract. Here is some of the goodies in our contract.
Pay is per leg, a leg is blocked for 2:00 but it took us 2:30 to fly it, we keep the extra 30 minutes, even if on the next leg we under block. For example, on a 3 leg day, if blcoked 2:00, 1:30, 1:00, and we fly 2:30, 1:15, and :45, we get paid an extra :30 minute for that day (a total of 5:00 hours for that day)
Vacation, if it touches any trip, it drops the trip that it touches, so you take a one week vacation and turn it into a 3 weeks vacation wtih an 80 hours or even more line, depending which line you bid.
we get an initial line window in which we can trade trips . . and then the second window which allows worse day bad day trades. And with that, even though I almost at the end of the line holder seniority list in Houston, I can still manage to get weekends off by trading. I get alos about 14 to 15 days off while working extra and building my line up to 95 hours pay.
Deadhead is 100% pay, I know at other airlines it's either 75% or 50%
and many other goodies that I don't feel like typing right now.
about the EMB 145. CRJ drivers are not gonna like what I am about to say, but it is a fact. We have an umatched relationship with Embraer, and many of the modifications were made because of us. we started the LR2 program, and we are the only XR operator. the CRJ 200 is no match to either the LR2 or the XR in the range and load. And CRJ guys as much as this may offend you, this is a proven fact. Chataqua's attempt to operate the CRJ200 for continental was a dissaster! They could not carry the load, specially on routes like Houston to Colorado Spring, forget about it, the CRJ 200 could not even come close to either the LR2 or the XR, matter of fact Chataqua was not able to operate the CRJ200 on that route at all. Some of the things that pax enjoy about the EMB 145 vs the CRJ, is the bigger and higher windows, the single seat they have the option of getting and sitting by themselves.
I believe it is in the best interest for Skywest, ASA, and Expressjet piltos should be merged into one serority list, like Republic has it. Our contract stipulates that actually, and Skywest management is trying to bypass that by trying to make it look like ASA is buying XJT and not Skywest to prevent Skywest pilots from becoming unionized. I believe we have the best contract of all 3 pilot groups. However, if I am mistaken then share with me what you think you have that is a better working condition or QOL.
This is addressed to Skywest/ASA pilot so we can learn as much as we can about each other, if you are not one of those, then I really do not care about your opinion!
Here are a little facts about Expressjet:
Before we parked the 135s, we were the biggerst EMB 135/145 operator . . . I think with about 239 EMB 145s now we might still be. Before also we parked the 135s we had also the biggest all jets fleet.
We are also one of the highest paid regional airline pilots. Our 50 seater pay compares to 70 and 90 seater pay on some other regionals.
We also have one of the best contract. Here is some of the goodies in our contract.
Pay is per leg, a leg is blocked for 2:00 but it took us 2:30 to fly it, we keep the extra 30 minutes, even if on the next leg we under block. For example, on a 3 leg day, if blcoked 2:00, 1:30, 1:00, and we fly 2:30, 1:15, and :45, we get paid an extra :30 minute for that day (a total of 5:00 hours for that day)
Vacation, if it touches any trip, it drops the trip that it touches, so you take a one week vacation and turn it into a 3 weeks vacation wtih an 80 hours or even more line, depending which line you bid.
we get an initial line window in which we can trade trips . . and then the second window which allows worse day bad day trades. And with that, even though I almost at the end of the line holder seniority list in Houston, I can still manage to get weekends off by trading. I get alos about 14 to 15 days off while working extra and building my line up to 95 hours pay.
Deadhead is 100% pay, I know at other airlines it's either 75% or 50%
and many other goodies that I don't feel like typing right now.
about the EMB 145. CRJ drivers are not gonna like what I am about to say, but it is a fact. We have an umatched relationship with Embraer, and many of the modifications were made because of us. we started the LR2 program, and we are the only XR operator. the CRJ 200 is no match to either the LR2 or the XR in the range and load. And CRJ guys as much as this may offend you, this is a proven fact. Chataqua's attempt to operate the CRJ200 for continental was a dissaster! They could not carry the load, specially on routes like Houston to Colorado Spring, forget about it, the CRJ 200 could not even come close to either the LR2 or the XR, matter of fact Chataqua was not able to operate the CRJ200 on that route at all. Some of the things that pax enjoy about the EMB 145 vs the CRJ, is the bigger and higher windows, the single seat they have the option of getting and sitting by themselves.
I believe it is in the best interest for Skywest, ASA, and Expressjet piltos should be merged into one serority list, like Republic has it. Our contract stipulates that actually, and Skywest management is trying to bypass that by trying to make it look like ASA is buying XJT and not Skywest to prevent Skywest pilots from becoming unionized. I believe we have the best contract of all 3 pilot groups. However, if I am mistaken then share with me what you think you have that is a better working condition or QOL.
This is addressed to Skywest/ASA pilot so we can learn as much as we can about each other, if you are not one of those, then I really do not care about your opinion!
08-11-2010, 12:36 AM
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There are a couple of things of importance that I forgot to include.
We have an ASAP program, that I think is an awesome program in improving Safety, do they have that at ASA or Skywest? Also, anytime you feel too tired to fly, you can all fatigued and submit an ASAP report and management can not even question you.
We also have a FOQA program which also gives trends and improves safety and operation. The FOQA data can not be used for any disciplinary action.
We have our own training center with 3 full motion simulators and 2 FTDs.
We have an ASAP program, that I think is an awesome program in improving Safety, do they have that at ASA or Skywest? Also, anytime you feel too tired to fly, you can all fatigued and submit an ASAP report and management can not even question you.
We also have a FOQA program which also gives trends and improves safety and operation. The FOQA data can not be used for any disciplinary action.
We have our own training center with 3 full motion simulators and 2 FTDs.
08-11-2010, 01:04 AM
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Yes ASA has ASAP and is now implementing FOQA.
08-11-2010, 04:25 AM
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Oh ya, well Atlantic Southeast Airlines has the hottest Stewardess's. No joke! 
08-11-2010, 04:27 AM
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ASA is a great airline, they have many of the same goodies as does SkyWest. Congrats on being purchased.
08-11-2010, 04:33 AM
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In all honesty if you put the Atlantic Southeast pilot CBA next to the ExpressJet CBA I'm pretty sure they are very similar. QOL is relatively the same and pay is around a $1 difference. One CBA has something the other is lacking and vise versa. They really aren't that far off. If you secretly started using one CBA for all the pilots people probably wouldn't even notice the difference.
Don't know what all the fuss is about.
Don't know what all the fuss is about.
08-11-2010, 04:35 AM
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I love the regional airline industry, everyone thinks they are cooler than everyone else...
08-11-2010, 04:40 AM
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meloveboeing needs to put down the crack pipe if he thinks his contract is that much superior to ours. But don't worry, I'll educate him when he gets finished doing the walk around, and programming the FMS/ACARS while I eat my lunch.
08-11-2010, 05:30 AM
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Xjt lost another 18 million in q3. It doens't matter how "Great" they are when they can't make money.
08-11-2010, 06:01 AM
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ASA has nearly every single thing that you listed, and our CRJ700/900's will bury your ERJ's for load and range. Maybe you guys should educate yourselves about the company buying you rather than pound your chests.
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