Removing Circling Limitations using Company Sims
#1
Removing Circling Limitations using Company Sims
This is mostly directed at those familiar with the XJ training deparment, but I think it's applicable to a lot of other operations issuing SIC type ratings with circling limitations.
Does does anyone know if the Mesaba training department has authorization to conduct the training to remove the circling limitations after a type rating? I know they certainly won't pay for it (why should they pay for something that probably isn't allowed by ops-specs)...but I was wondering if I could theoretically pay for some work in the company training dept. to remove the limitation or if I'd have to go to factory training, Flight Safety, yada yada. Just curious; I'm kind of finicky about my certs, and if I have a type rating I don't want the limitations...even if the limitation has no effect on current operations. Thanks in advance; I searched other threads that touched on the limitation itself, but I think my question is a little too specific.
Does does anyone know if the Mesaba training department has authorization to conduct the training to remove the circling limitations after a type rating? I know they certainly won't pay for it (why should they pay for something that probably isn't allowed by ops-specs)...but I was wondering if I could theoretically pay for some work in the company training dept. to remove the limitation or if I'd have to go to factory training, Flight Safety, yada yada. Just curious; I'm kind of finicky about my certs, and if I have a type rating I don't want the limitations...even if the limitation has no effect on current operations. Thanks in advance; I searched other threads that touched on the limitation itself, but I think my question is a little too specific.
#3
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Yeah, I just posted on a similar question. All I can say is "Good idea." I'm told that if you ever work in China they won't validate your license with that restriction - you'll have to get it taken off.
I doubt if any training is required by FAR (although you may want some), but I don't know for sure. If not I think it would be a matter of just doing the circling approach while a DPE is observing. It'd be nice to hear from someone who has actually had the restriction removed to find out exactly what is involved.
If you're CERTAIN that's true, then fine - there's your answer. Actually, most places won't, for various reasons - at least not for free.
I doubt if any training is required by FAR (although you may want some), but I don't know for sure. If not I think it would be a matter of just doing the circling approach while a DPE is observing. It'd be nice to hear from someone who has actually had the restriction removed to find out exactly what is involved.
Just wait until you upgrade
Last edited by rotorhead1026; 12-01-2008 at 08:29 PM. Reason: secondhand addenda
#4
I just found this on on the certificate of a Saab captain I know...
SF-340 CIRC. APCH. - VMC ONLY.
Still there! Drat.
So, I can't imagine they do it by default for upgrade checks. Dunno.
Agreed on removing the limitation for foreign validation...Beyond that, I just like having a clean cert without restrictions.
Last edited by TheSultanofScud; 12-01-2008 at 08:35 PM. Reason: double posted quote <doh!>
#5
In the Part 142 environment, you can't just walk into a sim with an examiner and do this. You are required to go through an approved course and then undergo the sim check. It can, however, be very short. At CAE we have a class that is in and out in 1 day. Part 121? Hell, you can do whatever you can get approved I guess. This IS big though...if you're going overseas to fly, you gotta get the restriction removed.
If you are interested in more precise information, hit me up via PM and we can discuss.
Z
If you are interested in more precise information, hit me up via PM and we can discuss.
Z
#6
3 out of 6 types of mine are CIRC APCH - VMC ONLY
Why worry about the restriction? I personally like it rather than to try flying a circle approach in crummy weather, I can only do it when the weather is good. Fine by me, I haven't done a circle approach since my on-demand freight days many moons ago. Wish the restriction was there on some of those dark and stormy nights.
Why worry about the restriction? I personally like it rather than to try flying a circle approach in crummy weather, I can only do it when the weather is good. Fine by me, I haven't done a circle approach since my on-demand freight days many moons ago. Wish the restriction was there on some of those dark and stormy nights.
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if you take a PIC check ride, you will still have the VMC circling restriction. Unless your company is willing to do it on your next PC you will have to pay a sim session out of pocket to get it done.
I know a company in MIA does it for the A320. It's a 1Hr thing and costs around $500. It might be worth it if you can get a well paid job oversea. From what I understand the Asian countries are pretty big about removing the restriction. I know China and Vietnam don't want it!!!!
Anyway, how stupid is that to have a VMC circle as a RESTRICTION.....would anybody do a circling maneuver in IMC???
I know a company in MIA does it for the A320. It's a 1Hr thing and costs around $500. It might be worth it if you can get a well paid job oversea. From what I understand the Asian countries are pretty big about removing the restriction. I know China and Vietnam don't want it!!!!
Anyway, how stupid is that to have a VMC circle as a RESTRICTION.....would anybody do a circling maneuver in IMC???
#9
'When you get furloughed from your 25K a year job here in the states and a place in China is offering 75K for the same job, it may make sense to some to drop $500-1500 down and get the limitation off the certificate.
Weird isn't it?
#10
Are we there yet??!!
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If you don't have significant PIC in the type you are having the restriction removed from, its a waste of money. The competetion is tough out there right now.
Last edited by Thedude; 12-02-2008 at 12:10 PM.
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