PSA & Compass hiring?
 

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Good luck guys!

I also saw it on bizjetjobs.com.

I doubt they are really hiring. PSA has guys on furlough. Not sure if these job postings are posted automatically or if they are really hiring.

According to the website they never stopped taking apps. As far as I know we are not hiring or excepting resumes, but they like to keep the furloughed guys as deep in the dark as they can. I think if TK could blind fold us and toss us in a closet he would.

I just heard a rumor that Compass "might" be furloughing? I heard 30 pilots?

True?

I haven't heard anything about compass furloughing but i heard from a buddy over at PSA that they will be furloughing 30 guys.

I doubt Compass will furlough before Delta/NWA does due to the flow back. But that is just my opinion.

just got an LOA with company for any trip picked up between now and Jan will me paid at 1.5. We are extremely short. I doubt we will even think about furloughing until the 1st NWA/DAL guys finish training here is they furlough.

Oh my. Unless TK and KH learn to fly planes, thats very unlikely. At this point, they would have to park several airframes for that to happen.

Yeah there is no way they can furlough 30 unless planes are parked... I have heard they can cut up to 20 with the one plane we have in paint not online... realistically 10-15 if they wanted to start flying the reserves up to the 72 hours

Today PSA is in Junior Man Mode. So i don't know how they are going to downgrade and furlough more. They squeezed all the blood out of this rock. There is nothing left.

I suppose the question is will they continue to need to JM even through the down season from Jan to late March.

I think even 20 furloughs would be a stretch, especially since CLT has flying now. DAY and TYS have VERY few on reserve and now CLT should only have about 14 on reserve total as well.

Let's show how bizarre this one is.

1 of 36 planes is about 3% of the fleet.

3% of the seniority list is 10 pilots.

Was the 10 arbitrarily doubled to 20 to make it a better, more intense rumor? :confused:

Compass would furlough for a reduction of block hours, airplanes going away, or flowback. All three of those are possible but let's rule out an airplane being painted as a cause of furlough at a company that has reserve captains flying 50 hours in the right seat and 20 in the left every month because there aren't enough copilots out of training yet.

I think he meant PSA blacktops were being painted so one is almost always parked. Still would only acount for about 12 pilots at most.

Here's a thought that might make you guys all feel a little more secure, that is if you are an optimist like myself.

I do not think there will be furloughs at PSA or at Compass. Why, because even though majors will be cutting back around 17% in domestic flying, most of this is due to decrease in leisure fliers. Most of the aviation analysis I have read indicate the domestic business flying will remain intact or decrease slightly. Most of any losses in domestic flying will be absorbed by majors by significant increase in international flying in the next 5 years. What this means is that regionals like PSA, Compass, and few other regionals will wind up flying most of the domestic flying that was cut out of the majors. Now, I know some of you are saying well that is just as bad because regionals are taking over mainline routes but that's been happening already in the last few years. Yeah, I know it sucks because it means we will be stuck at regionals for a long time but at least we will have jobs until majors get back on their feet and start hiring.

This Age 65 rule change and the economy really put a screeching halt to hiring at the majors, but in the next 5 years most of these age 60 guys and gals will be retiring, which will be significant numbers.

Just hang in there. We are all in it together. See you all out there in the wild blue yonder.

This is the same thing one of the CP's told me. Once painted, they will start bringing FO's back accordingly.

Well then how many still need to be painted? And how long does it take to paint each one?

I'll do one a day for the nominal fee of 10 cases of rattle can paint, and a 30 pack of Bud Light.

And a run to jack in the box for a bag full of 99 cent tacos at some point.

I don't know anything about PSA.

Comair is in Junior Man mode and downgrading and furloughing all at once, and has been for two months.

CP stopped the hiring at 320-ish instead of the original 360 planned to account for 3 "inactive" planes: one in paint (DL), one in maint., one "hot" spare. Even with that we are still pretty short though... I've been in both seats the past few days. There are lots of "critical" trips as previously mentioned too. If there are furloughs here in the future it would only be because of a DL furlough/flowback, and even then it's limited to 20 per month.

Flame Bait

I sure as hell hope so.

Just looked at the contract and there is no monthly limit to flow down. Only the flow up has a limit of 20 per month. If they can get more through training they can flow down more.

It's not flame bait, I justed wanted to see if you CZ guys knew anything about this, because I'm pretty sure the guy I heard this from is full of crap. I'll tell you guys where I heard this from. I overheard this yesterday from one of the Comair MEC guys, he was going around saying that Compass will be furloughing, but it hasn't been announced, yet. Now, how the hell would our MEC know what the hell is going on at Compass before you guys even knew? I doubt it is true, because our MEC is full of crap.

Dont know how many we have left to paint, but they are down there for about 3 weeks during painting. At $40k a pop too I hear.

I hope you guys aren't picking up these trips. Our chief pilot did the company a favor a couple monhts ago by stopping upgrades and stopping at 40 pilots short of what was projected. He did a very good job, and he's proud of it.! Didn't you know he proudly proclaims how we saved 35-40 millon dollars because of his greatness..Enjoy your days off and dont pick up these trips. Let the company see how far ahead our chief pilot and crew planner was looking. This is the only way we will get what we want on the pilot side. We'll have a couple cancelations and that will wake them up, then the upgrades will resume and more new hires (our friends out there looking for a job) will get hired...

I have always considered myself as leaning towards management on most issues. This however is an excellent and well thought out strategy. I would support this. Let them junior assign you as they can only do that so many times a quarter. I certainly see the need to scale back the original hiring numbers because of the 3 "dead" aircraft for 2009. However, to then run short on purpose below that number is not good business sense. At this time training slots are available at CAE and other training providers. There is no reason not to have pilots in the training quene at this time other than to keep costs down and impress DAL. If this strtegy by management is allowed to prevail and become the norm it is not going to be good for the Compass pilots.

Hi!

DAL/NWA flowbacks?

DAL just announced buyouts offered to ALL DAL/NWA employees EXCEPT pilots (and 2 other groups). DAL is cutting back, but NOT allowing pilots to leave. What does that tell you?

cliff
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I agree. I loaded up my schedule for December (mainly because I had to in order to get the days off I needed thanks to JK's f'ing with FLICA, but also for some extra spending $$$) but having found out that they're stopping at 320 and are obviously looking to run the airline permanently lean, I have no interest in enabling them to do so. I'll be flying my line and that's it from here on in, thanks.

Nothing yet. Since the pilots are Union, any buyouts would have to be negotiated first.

Yeah, no kidding. Isn't a day off worth more that time and a half (especially when the base rate is $23 bucks an hour)? And the junior-manning at CP is getting ridiculous - I have had calls from scheduling (not answered, of course) 5 TIMES since Sunday, 12/7. How they expect this work, I do not know.

I am sure that once our chief gets called in on x-mas eve to do a round trip he will then finally hire some more. Let them use management guys to cover open flying. I have noticed that the flights they cannot staff have gone back to the 9.

I heard he actually was flying the line last week covering some of the open flying...in black slacks, a leather jacket, and NO HAT! Classic! :rolleyes:

Nice! Does this mean we will finally be able to start wearing the leather jacket?

Heh, I've seen a few around that already are. I'd imagine it's best done if you're doing a CDO, staying away from the MSP crewroom and IAD, or have incriminating photos of JK & AS.

Well, I don't think they mean to run the airline lean forever but I also don't see how hiring 20 or 30 more pilots would do us any good for almost 3 months...I think some of us have forgotten how LONG the training process takes here. (Hopefully this is looked at too but thats another post)

Once the last of the guys (Who where hired in Novemeber) make it out of the pipeline I think we will see some relief. Of course with the pulldown of flights in the spring and possibly some more cuts that DAL hasn't finalized yet we could very well be nicely staffed.
All these are just assumptions however as I am not made aware of these types of decisions or why they have been made.

On a side note for those of you that don't want to pick up open time...Then don't. However, this doesn't mean to call me and ask me to take your JA shift. ;)

I don't understand being upset about picking up open time and then getting upset about being JA'd....you know if no one picks it up they are going to mess up someones off days...So I welcome anyone to fly those shifts that I don't want.

Of course I have only been JA'd once in the past 18 months working here so I guess the problem doesn't seem so dire to me yet.

I find myself happy to be at an airline that has a lean staff as oppose to one that is letting ppl go...then you wouldn't have to complain about all this work we are doing :D