BFR and Part 121 Currency
 

So my local FBO wants some sort of documentation for their files showing my currency. I sent them the applicable quote from 61.56 but they want something to put in their file cabnet. Anyone have any suggestions?

Don't your recurrent ground schools followed by your line checks and pc checks qualify for this?

Copy of PC and LOFT recurrent paperwork with SAT checked off will suffice, if not their just being jerks.

Your recurrent PC and Ground qualify for your BFR ... if they don't accept the paperwork on that, find a different FBO that isn't retarded

Does anyone know of an AC or FAA legal interpretation which says that 121 PC/LOFT/recurrent counts as an operating privilege per 61.56(d) ?

It makes sense that it would, but it doesn't spell that out in the regs.

Honestly not sure where it says it in the regs, but I know it does ... how else would all of us still be able to keep flying after all this time?

All of this rigermoral for you and they're probably letting any schmo off the street instruct for them and sign people off

I don't see how it's not spelled out in the regs.

(d) A person who has, within the period
specified in paragraph (c) of this
section, passed a pilot proficiency
check conducted by an examiner, an
approved pilot check airman, or a U.S.
Armed Force, for a pilot certificate,
rating, or operating privilege need not
accomplish the flight review required
by this section.

I can't find any gray in that part of 61.56(d). Where's the confusion?

There are many FBO's out there that think they are all god's gift to aviation, and will give you all the crap they can in the world.

I'm willing to bet $10 that you'll go back, show them that reg, and your copies of your checks, and they'll still insist of you getting a BFR from one of their instructors

Most FBOs are still gonna require you to do a checkout with one of their instructors for insurance purposes. Flying a 172 is significantly different from an RJ

Sounds to me like he already is checked out aircraft wise.

What is an operating privelege? Does an SIC PC count?

I'm not saying it doesn't, but legally the fed could interpret that any way they like. I have enough experience with law to know that this reg (like many FARs) is weak and open to interpretation. Remember this is not criminal or civil law where the tie goes to the runner...the grey area usually goes to the feds.

"...passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner..."

... sounds like your question was answered in there. Not sure what else you need. A SIC PC is a PROFICIENCY CHECK conducted by an EXAMINER ... that's a done deal, no questions asked. Now, you may still have to be checked out by one of their instructors in one of their planes to go fly, but that's typical of any FBO

Thanks for all the replies. I was hoping to avoid having to get a copy of my pc. I used to instruct there and I walk in the place in uniform all the time. The lady running the place is just super anal about having paperwork.

I might just go flying and then have a beer with one of my cfi friends. That sounds more entertaining than doing a paper chase.

Gotcha sounds like a solid plan:D

Well, it says "rating, or operating privilege" and I would say that you are doing your PC for your the privilege of operating under your SIC type rating. I'd say you're doubly covered. While I agree that the feds can be sneaky bastards, I think this reg is pretty unambiguous. Think of it this way...If a PC didn't count then how would any of us be allowed to operate the aircraft we fly without going somewhere to get a BFR every couple years. The answer is that the PC does count...or everybody who has been in their seat for over 2 years is flying illegally.

You run into a lot of people who are "super anal about the paperwork" in aviation these days. :D

Don't take it personally.

Your company doesnt require you to carry a copy of your last check with you?

nope. not here at pinnacle anyway.

Part 121: "A company shall not use and an airman shall not serve..." & blah blah...

By the nature of operational control the CP, scheduler, dispatcher, airman shall ensure that the crew member (basically the "company" as specified in your FOM, or equivalent) is current and qualified before operating under that rule. I find it strange if a crew member must carry documents (other than cert. and medical) showing their qualifications and currency. I have never seen anything about this in 8400.10 but that doesn't mean its not there.

And as always, call your local FSDO if in doubt.

Wait...you walk in the place in uniform all the time?:p

Sorry, I couldn't resist.;)

Haven't done that since my 135 days... Don't know if it was required then, but I was more green than Brown :D