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Just wondering how many crews are based out of HNL and if bidding this domicile goes toward junior or senior crews? I've hear the company has a hard time finding crews willing to relocate to HNL, any truth to this?

Currently I'm an FO at ASA but recently I had to move back to Hawaii, so I'm just curious any about possibilities that might exist in the future.

I'm not HNL based but the bidding did go relatively junior. They had a few positions open to TDY people and that we so senior it wasn't even funny but for the most part it's a very junior base. It's a black hole though once you go out there you might not get back for awhile.

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i would recommend sticking it out at asa and upgrade, get pic, and apply to hawaiian. i cant imagine republic staying in hawaii for long. dont get me wrong, id rather have mokulele stick around instead of go! but loads dont look too good. consider their hnl domicile temporary and dont chase it. do you republicans agree?

Just wondering how you know what the actual loads are......

heard it from JO of course

Well at the start the loads were going to be low, however, as the Alaska and Westjet codeshares spool up loads should increase.

Republic, as a whole, opens and closes bases all the time. Just ask the guys from CVG, DEN, FLL, RIC, CRP, ect. And that's just during the past three four years. Stick at ASA where at least you know where you'll be sleeping in six months.

Thanks to all for the words of wisdom.

I think 'Island Style' has outlined my best course of action. I know a couple of people at Hawaiian and will try to maintain those contacts, since I hear Hawaiian is a very tight company that typically hires from within (by referrals from family and friends of family) before looking at outside resumes.

when you SEE 2 people show up when the agent calls "we will start boarding flight XXX for xxxx, ALL ROWS ALL PASSENGERS"

from what i hear, 15 pax is a big load.

string682, stick it out at asa. your experience there is invaluable. when hawaiian hires, you will be competing with pilots from aloha (the original one), local 121/135 and south ramp guys. your mainland experience will differentiate your resume from others and your sacrifices there will be recognized by the chief pilot and d.o. thats what i did.

With 100+ still on furlough you can expect that there won't be any openings here any time soon. HNL is currently staffed but my understanding is that if people wanted it, they got it. There might be one opening out there and a guy that was in my newhire/recall group will likely bid it.

Give it some time and Republic will probably end up flying for Hawaiian, just like they did for Frontier, Midwest, etc.

Thanks for the feedback, everything said kind of confirms what I already knew or suspected, the HNL numbers are small, and as “Pilotpip” said, any opening would eagerly (and rightfully) go any one of the 100+ pilots they currently have on the street. I was just trying to get a feel for the size and potential growth of the operation should the industry/economy ever begin too turn around in another year or two.

On a side note, back over the summer I was offered a job flying Caravans out of Hilo for Mokulele, but I turned it down. I figured the 121 experience I’m currently getting out of ATL would be better than any 135 experience between the Islands. I plan to stay put for now and hope things at Hawaiian open up in a couple of years.

hey string, during our recent hiring, there were regional pilots and a few had very little or no pic, and some with no jet time either. so it may not be long for you. word has it 60-100 pilot hirings starting this summer. good luck, i hope your connections are strong.

Island Style - Thanks for the Info! Just got your PM and replied - Aloha.

Another bit of food for thought for an individual hoping to work for Hawaiian in the future - the fraternal nature of the "real" island carriers is such that applications from mainland "invaders" such as the Mokulele and go! pilots are likely to be viewed in a negative light. Not saying it's right, but it'd be a point of concern for me. It's a tight-knit group, and there's a lot of anger to go around at the moment. Politics are rarely kind to the line pilot.

the loads were low because the travel agents whom Mokulele work with did not update there system with a E-170. So when 2 people show up to go on a caravan and they see a 70 seat jet, oops:eek:

loads have improved since that "small" glitch from what the dispatchers are teling me

Mokulele is not a invader. Some ex Aloha employees work for Mokulele. From what 1 of the very senior pilot that went there for the TDY, said it was the best month flying he has ever had. 7 legs out in hawaii is like doing 1 ORD-CMH turn. Everyone was so friendly and laid back. The locals in Hawaii do not like Go! but they do like Mokulele. This is 2nd hand information coming from him. He talked to a lot of locals out there and all were extremely friendly toward Mokulele.

Don't put Go and Mokulele in the same boat. That's an insult to our pilots.:D

Everyone keeps saying the locals don't like Go! but they keep flying them.

I'm not here to rip on the RAH pilot group, Pilot5. I am one, or rather, I was. I know Mokulele has done a much better job of marketing itself to the local flying public than go!, and I've no doubt we offer a better product. I'm referring to the pilot groups of the hometown inter-island carriers: Hawaiian (our main competitors), Island Air (those guys that make more than us flying DHC-8s), and the ex-Aloha pilots (who, if I'm not mistaken, are not among the people so graciously hired by RAH). I know quite a few of these guys, the latter group in particular. I've been dialed into the painful process of finding them government training money and new jobs. They don't see Mokulele in the same positive light.

I'm glad our crews got a friendlier welcome than Mesa. As to whether it's appropriate to "insult" the portion of the RAH pilot group who bid a new base with no contract... with the company proudly violating their agreement with their pilot group in the middle of contract negotiations... as the union (however ineptly) tells them not to bid it... while more than a hundred of their own pilots are still on the street - that's another topic entirely.

Sounds familiar as in mainline on the mainland via "express" partners. The folks keep logging on, buying tix and showing up.