The Natives Are Restless
 

And I don't Blame em one bit!!

Mulhalo Natives


Law360


Can you hear the distant drumbeat in the background..........

It just keeps getting better.

worst people in the world
1) Osama bin Laden
1.000000000001) Jonathan Ornstein

HEEEY lets be partnas

already...

but let me see your books first .. is that alright?

you are such nice natives.... go ahead...help yourself to some trinkets.....yeah, thats right, help yourself, all you want!!

May Mesa RIP

I'm not a member, can someone post the full article here?

I will check back later, If I can get the whole article, I will surely post the link....:D

here we go..... enjoy!!

employees of Aloha Airlines Inc. have objected to a bid to sell the bankrupt airline's intellectual property to Yucaipa Corporate Initiatives Fund so that it can be licensed to one-time rival Mesa Air Group Inc.

In a motion filed Friday in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Hawaii, the Association of Flight Attendants objected to the sale, saying the transaction shouldn't be completed given Mesa's past bad faith conduct.

Approval should be contingent on the provision of additional compensatory benefits — such as a fund to compensate for lost medical benefits — to the “victims of Mesa's conduct,” according to the motion.

“Mesa, which drove Aloha out of business and ended the careers of thousands of long-time employees, will fly as Aloha using the good will generated by those employees' years of service,” the motion said.

“In light of the substantial evidence that Mesa's bad faith conduct caused the liquidation of Aloha and the subsequent total loss of jobs and benefits for Aloha's employees, this transaction should be disallowed,” it added.

In January 2007, Aloha filed a lawsuit accusing Mesa of using Aloha’s confidential information — such as financial plans, internal forecasts and customer lists — to compete in the Hawaii market. Aloha said Mesa acquired the information after advising Aloha that it was interested in investing in the airline.

A Mesa subsidiary, Go, sold its interisland tickets below cost with the intent to drive Aloha out of business, according to Aloha. The competitor began service to the Hawaiian Islands in June 2006.

Months after Aloha Airlines filed for bankruptcy protection, a judge said Yucaipa could buy the potential recovery in the lawsuit for more than $10 million. Yucaipa subsequently won an auction held by the bankruptcy trustee to buy Aloha's name for $750,000, court documents said.

Yucaipa and Mesa then entered into a $2 million settlement agreement, the motion said.

Mesa also agreed to pay Yucaipa a revenue payment of 1 percent of passenger ticket revenue from all Hawaiian interisland operations, subject to a minimum annual revenue payment of $600,000. Mesa will pay Yucaipa 30 percent of the pretax operating profits from Mesa's operations in the market less than the revenue payments.

“In contrast to the millions of dollars that Yucaipa will receive, and the $750,000 that the estate will receive, Mesa agreed to issue former Aloha employees six space-available free round-trip passes per year,” the suit said.

The flight attendants' motion is asking that Yucaipa require additional benefits to compensate former Aloha employees, “whose years of hard work made the Aloha name the valuable asset it is today.”

Specifically, they are asking that some money from the deal be used to create and fund a voluntary employees' beneficiary association. Money from the fund would be used to offset the uncovered medical costs being incurred by former employees who lost health insurance through Aloha's bankruptcy filing.

In a separate filing, eight sets of letters signed by former employees of Aloha Airlines and members of the Hawaii community objecting to the sale were given to the court.

A hearing on the matter is scheduled for March 3.

Though Aloha filed a Chapter 11 petition March 20 with seeming interest in reorganizing its passenger division, it shuttered passenger flights March 31, and a month later the case was converted to a Chapter 7 liquidation.

The airline attendants association is represented in this matter by Ogawa Lau Nakamura & Jew and Guerrieri Edmond Clayman & Bartos PC.

The Chapter 7 trustee is represented by Wagner Choi and Verbrugge and Sheppard Mullin Richter & Hamilton LLP.

Aloha is represented in this matter by Berger Singerman PA, David C. Farmer Attorney at Law LLLC and Squire Sanders & Dempsey LLP. The law firm Char Sakamoto Ishii Lum & Ching was brought on as special counsel.

The case is In re: Aloha Airlines Inc., case number 08-00337, in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court

Mesa, which drove Aloha out of business and ended the careers of thousands of long-time employees, will fly as Aloha using the good will generated by those employees' years of service,” the motion said.

“In light of the substantial evidence that Mesa's bad faith conduct caused the liquidation of Aloha and the subsequent total loss of jobs and benefits for Aloha's employees, this transaction should be disallowed,”


what comes around goes around.............:D

Thanks!

But aren't they also saying that they'll allow it, if they get..essentially..royalties?

Beads & Trinkets
 

In this economy, they might be happy with a small royalty, as stated.



The first week of March, we will know for sure.

It really makes me sick to see Mesa force Aloha to file for BK and shut down and then use the Aloha name to promote a subpar bottom feeder airline. And they want to offer 6 nonrev passes to the employees of Aloha in return. What a jock. I hope JO will join the unemployment line with the rest of us.

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Maturity - in inability to let anyone get the last word. Did you get furloughed? Hope so

The above postod by a Mesa captain.

This is the type of people Mesa and JO employ....What a class act.

Can't let it go? I simply responded in kind. I apologize for lowering myself to your level.

We can compile a list

approximately 500 unemployed at Comair....which can be directly attributed to the existence of Freedom Airlines

1900 at Aloha are out of work

what else?

How many are out of work because of Southwest, AirTrans (Valujet), Jetblue, USAirways (yes, USAirways since it came into being after deregulation) and all the other low cost carriers?

We shouldn't be pointing fingers at pilots or airlines. If we want someone to blame, blame managers and deregulation.

Please explain to me what Freedom had to do with the 500 unemployed at Comair? If anyone should be to blame it is Big Daddy D. They (illegally or maybe not, thats why the case is in court) took away flying for 36 145's from Freedom, thought that it would be the end of that, told Comair to hire up for the flying that they would be doing instead of Freedom and then gave it back when Mesa filed suit (rightfully so, if taking away the flying was a breach of contract, which like I just said will be decided by a court) and then subsequently won an injunction, which is NOT the easiest thing to do.

Pointing the finger at an airline is much easier than blaming an occurrence, such as deregulation.

Mesa wheeled into HI and killed off Aloha with 4 crj 200's....wow!

USAirways (East) used to be Allegheny Airlines which was around in the 1950's.

It seems you are being inconsistent or hypocritical. If someone is a "class act" for wishing that someone be furloughed, what are you for wishing a business to fail and hundreds to be out of work?

In May 2005 Delta penned a deal to award Comair 34 aircraft. At the time, Freedom was not part of DCI.

Two months later Delta signed a deal with Freedom to fly the same number of aircraft.

Two months later Delta (and Comair) entered bankruptcy. Delta told Comair the deal was off because they couldn't afford to be purchasing any new aircraft in bankruptcy.

Delta proceeds to buy jets anyway and lease them to Freedom for a dollar a month. I guess the Comair folks couldn't come up with the buck?

So Freedom gets 30+ aircraft and Comair furloughs pilots.

Furthermore, in 2006 Delta goes to bankruptcy court and waves around Mesa's pilot contract (and others) and says if you make the Comair pilot contract crappy like this one, Delta can let Comair grow again. The judge believes them, throws out the pilot contract, and Delta rewards Comair by shrinking them an additional 38% in the next two years.

Those 34 aircraft meant 374 pilots and roughly 289 FAs.

If I had to guess, that's what he meant by Freedom costing Comair 500 jobs.

Don't take it personally; by Freedom he may mean JO, not the pilots.

And yes, Delta stinks too.

Aloha only had 13 aircraft flying inter-island.

Are you saying that 4 aircraft can't pull enough passengers from 13 aircraft to put a dent in Aloha's razor-thin profit margins?

Those 4 50-seaters represented 12% of Aloha's CASM. I'm sure Aloha wasn't making a 12% profit to cover the potential loss. At a more reasonable 2-3% profit margin, the 12% loss would have crushed Aloha.

Of course you'll have to search JO's laptop to find the real numbers.

Mesa's Fleet Size did not grow by 34 Aircraft (mesa's erjs were switched from usairways express to start the delta connection)..

Those 30 something airframes were Atlantic Coast DoJets...

What about the revenue that Aloha was bringing in off their mainland flying (with the -700s), as well as the cargo ops?

Not enough to stay afloat, history shows.

Somehow JO was able to "predict" that 4 CRJs would put a damper on Aloha's chances.

And if a little bird (and by "little" I mean "laptop" and by "bird" I mean "filled with porn") told JO that 9 CRJs would be needed, I'm sure go! would have gotten 9 CRJs. :D

Sounds like a failed business model to me. Margins too small.