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Taking suggestions...
Gentlemen, Im thinking of droping the whole Airborne Law Enforcement thing and applying to the Regionals when things start to pick up again. The flying is fun but its always local and mostly in circles! You that are out there, give me some advice. What do you think?
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Originally Posted by MUFAZA
(Post 548885)
Gentlemen, Im thinking of droping the whole Airborne Law Enforcement thing and applying to the Regionals when things start to pick up again. The flying is fun but its always local and mostly in circles! You that are out there, give me some advice. What do you think?
The regional world to be honest with you is not for everybody. There are pros and cons but mostly cons just like with anything else. At the end of the day it all depends on what you want and you have the final decision to make. The pay is really crappy as you might have already known, you will be giving up you bed for random hotels. If you have a family, it will be one of the hardest thing for you wife or husband to get use to. If you dont live in base you'll have to deal with commuting which is time you'll never get back. Some positive things: You'll meet some of the nicest people, get to see other cultures.. That's about all I could think of right now. |
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Originally Posted by EmbraerFlyer
(Post 548889)
The regional world to be honest with you is not for everybody. There are pros and cons but mostly cons just like with anything else. At the end of the day it all depends on what you want and you have the final decision to make. The pay is really crappy as you might have already known, you will be giving up you bed for random hotels. If you have a family, it will be one of the hardest thing for you wife or husband to get use to. If you dont live in base you'll have to deal with commuting which is time you'll never get back.
Some positive things: You'll meet some of the nicest people, get to see other cultures.. That's about all I could think of right now. |
At the regionals...you fly around in circles just bigger ones. In seriousiness...depends on what you want in life. Me I rather be here rather than . But if you are after the big shiny and travel the world by all means give it a . But in the end it will drive you too maybe never have time to never have any . Think and seriously before you decide. Good luck
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Mufaza, what city are you currently working in? The law enforcement guys in Southern California are probably making more than I am as a 9 year RJ Captain.
Not to mention way better benefits and retirement. |
Originally Posted by Utah
(Post 548912)
Mufaza, what city are you currently working in? The law enforcement guys in Southern California are probably making more than I am as a 9 year RJ Captain.
Not to mention way better benefits and retirement. |
Originally Posted by MUFAZA
(Post 548885)
Gentlemen, Im thinking of droping the whole Airborne Law Enforcement thing and applying to the Regionals when things start to pick up again. The flying is fun but its always local and mostly in circles! You that are out there, give me some advice. What do you think?
Seriously, I will trade you a regional job for your LE flying right now. |
The airline lifestyle can be brutal at best. Many of my friends have always said "the flying is fun, the lifestyle is terrible." It'll extend from not seeing your families on holidays and birthdays, to not seeing your friends since you'll work weekends, and be off a couple days during the week. Friendships with other pilots tend to grow pretty well, especially if you're living in your domicile. If you have to commute, life will be worse than it typically is, you can expect to spend a couple extra days a month away from home because you start work to early in the morning, or finish to late in the evening to be able to make it back home. When you're doing that, the expense is on you, so find a cheap crew hotel, or a crashpad for a couple hundred a month, and have at it.
First year airline pay is pretty pathetic, you can look at the boards to see just how bad it is. Remember, we're paid for flight hour, limited to 100 hrs a month, and 1000 hrs a year. Some companies have different work rules as far as pay credit goes, which can help out. If your pay is 23/hr expect to make around 25k/yr, if it's 30-33, you can expect 35-40/yr, you'll make mid 40's at the better regionals that pay around 37/hr. Perdiem is on top of that, however, it's not part of your pay, and is used for expenses on the road, sometimes you can justify that it's in addition to your pay,but that all depends on how you live. All in all, you won't know what it's like until you try it. I'd hate to tell your horror stories and scare you off, especially before you even got started. Same time, i wouldn't paint a bed of roses for you, and tell how you great things are, so you can be disappointed. I will venture though, that as far as pay goes, a cop, even in Florida, will make more than an airline pilot, at least for his first couple years. Things might equal out after that, and pilot pay will probably go up faster than police pay. I was making around 62k as a regional CA during my second year at the airline. I then got bumped back to an FO, making 35k/yr and am trying to get out of the industry. I wish you the best of luck, just be sure to look at everything from both sides...At this point, i'm really looking forward to playing some Microsoft Flight Sim, vs the real deal. |
Originally Posted by flynavyj
(Post 548934)
The airline lifestyle can be brutal at best. Many of my friends have always said "the flying is fun, the lifestyle is terrible." It'll extend from not seeing your families on holidays and birthdays, to not seeing your friends since you'll work weekends, and be off a couple days during the week. Friendships with other pilots tend to grow pretty well, especially if you're living in your domicile. If you have to commute, life will be worse than it typically is, you can expect to spend a couple extra days a month away from home because you start work to early in the morning, or finish to late in the evening to be able to make it back home. When you're doing that, the expense is on you, so find a cheap crew hotel, or a crashpad for a couple hundred a month, and have at it.
First year airline pay is pretty pathetic, you can look at the boards to see just how bad it is. Remember, we're paid for flight hour, limited to 100 hrs a month, and 1000 hrs a year. Some companies have different work rules as far as pay credit goes, which can help out. If your pay is 23/hr expect to make around 25k/yr, if it's 30-33, you can expect 35-40/yr, you'll make mid 40's at the better regionals that pay around 37/hr. Perdiem is on top of that, however, it's not part of your pay, and is used for expenses on the road, sometimes you can justify that it's in addition to your pay,but that all depends on how you live. All in all, you won't know what it's like until you try it. I'd hate to tell your horror stories and scare you off, especially before you even got started. Same time, i wouldn't paint a bed of roses for you, and tell how you great things are, so you can be disappointed. I will venture though, that as far as pay goes, a cop, even in Florida, will make more than an airline pilot, at least for his first couple years. Things might equal out after that, and pilot pay will probably go up faster than police pay. I was making around 62k as a regional CA during my second year at the airline. I then got bumped back to an FO, making 35k/yr and am trying to get out of the industry. I wish you the best of luck, just be sure to look at everything from both sides...At this point, i'm really looking forward to playing some Microsoft Flight Sim, vs the real deal. |
Mufaza: I tell anybody who will listen that if you can get a job with a defined benefit (pension) from a government entity that it is worth its weight in gold. This is true for teachers, fireman, town administrators. The pension will be there every month (as long as the government entity doesn't go bankrupt, which is possible but not likely except maybe CA) no matter what. The peace of mind that can bring to your life is almost impossible to overstate. The airline job will always be there, and chances are your lifestyle right now, while your family is young, will be much better than as a junior commuting regional (or major for that matter) airline pilot.
I did 20 years in the military. Sometimes I fly with Captains much younger than me and I wonder if I should have made the jump sooner. Then I think about the looming furloughs and displacements at even the "best" carriers out there (including mine) and I thank my lucky stars that I stuck it out and got the retirement before jumping to the airlines. Having that back up takes a lot of the worry and fear out of the airline world. I have discovered that flying for the airlines (FedEx) is an ok job. Its probably one of the best flying jobs out there, but it still is only an ok job. There are a lot of downsides to go with the upsides. I don't mind doing it for the 18 years I would have had to age 60. I sure don't want to do it for the 23 years now to age 65. I'd rather have that check coming in every month instead of another 10 years of seniority here any day. You can lose your medical at any time, get displaced or furloughed, but you will still have that check coming every month. I wish you well in your decisions, keeping in mind that this is probably one of the worst times in modern history to try to get an airline job, but I strongly encourage you to stick it out and nail down that retirement before jumping ship. Best of luck. |
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