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Kubota 02-09-2009 06:06 AM

RAH flying out of DTW
 
Any truth to RAH picking up flying for a LCC in DTW? Heard they(LCC) want to feed their southern US routes with 170's and use their planes for Central and South American flying.

Could be good news for you 170 guys?

Danger Dan 02-09-2009 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Kubota (Post 554995)
Any truth to RAH picking up flying for a LCC in DTW? Heard they(LCC) want to feed their southern US routes with 170's and use their planes for Central and South American flying.

Could be good news for you 170 guys?

LCC out of Detroit?

Instead of using fancy acronyms, just spell out the company, kiddo.:eek:

Rightseat Ballast 02-09-2009 06:50 AM

At this point it is strictly a rumor, and one I don't put much value in. Yes, BB has entered into some agreements with smaller carriers like Mokulele and Midwest, but those were attempts to get idle aircraft flying after the Frontier codeshare ended. Right now, there are no idle airplanes on RAH property. RAH would have to purchase new aircraft, and in today's economy it is extremely difficult to obtain the financing needed to acquire multiple aircraft. With the exception of the CRJ's (which were intended as only a short term solution to an aircraft availability problem), RAH purchases all of its aircraft. Yes, a bank owns them until the loan is repaid, but RAH does not lease aircraft from another airline. So, RAH would need to come up with a whole lot of confident lenders in a very timid market for any new codeshare to happen.

In short... unless you are in on the musical chairs game with Delta CRJ-900's, new flying just isn't happening anywhere.

king10pin02 02-09-2009 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Kubota (Post 554995)
Any truth to RAH picking up flying for a LCC in DTW? Heard they(LCC) want to feed their southern US routes with 170's and use their planes for Central and South American flying.

Could be good news for you 170 guys?

Ive heard this too, called a few friends over at Spirit, none of them had heard anything about it. I have to agree with my coworker and and say this is unlikely.

Dougdrvr 02-09-2009 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 555020)
Ive heard this too, called a few friends over at Spirit, none of them had heard anything about it. I have to agree with my coworker and and say this is unlikely.

So Spirit is in the "outsourcing" mood also? I guess that's what happens when one company's pilots stand up for themselves and another won't :confused:

ToiletDuck 02-09-2009 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 555014)
At this point it is strictly a rumor, and one I don't put much value in. Yes, BB has entered into some agreements with smaller carriers like Mokulele and Midwest, but those were attempts to get idle aircraft flying after the Frontier codeshare ended. Right now, there are no idle airplanes on RAH property. RAH would have to purchase new aircraft, and in today's economy it is extremely difficult to obtain the financing needed to acquire multiple aircraft. With the exception of the CRJ's (which were intended as only a short term solution to an aircraft availability problem), RAH purchases all of its aircraft. Yes, a bank owns them until the loan is repaid, but RAH does not lease aircraft from another airline. So, RAH would need to come up with a whole lot of confident lenders in a very timid market for any new codeshare to happen.

In short... unless you are in on the musical chairs game with Delta CRJ-900's, new flying just isn't happening anywhere.

Finanacing is hard to get however I don't believe RAH would have any issues. Plenty of cash on hand, good cash flow, and a great credit rating. The banks still want to make all the loans they can it's just that they have to focus that money on those that have better credit. RAH would not have have those issues. But you're right I don't see where any aircraft would come from.

Blkflyer 02-09-2009 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Kubota (Post 554995)
Any truth to RAH picking up flying for a LCC in DTW? Heard they(LCC) want to feed their southern US routes with 170's and use their planes for Central and South American flying.

Could be good news for you 170 guys?

It would be Good News for RAH pilots Bad news for Spirit Pilots who are currently F_ed

king10pin02 02-09-2009 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 555051)
So Spirit is in the "outsourcing" mood also? I guess that's what happens when one company's pilots stand up for themselves and another won't :confused:

actually, no, I said its not likely.

ToiletDuck 02-09-2009 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Blkflyer (Post 555095)
It would be Good News for RAH pilots Bad news for Spirit Pilots who are currently F_ed

I'd rather see RAH get business from a more solid company.

paxhauler85 02-09-2009 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 555183)
I'd rather see RAH get business from a more solid company.

How about RAH get business from an airline that doesn't have its own pilots on furlough?

GoBlue 02-09-2009 12:38 PM

Does Mesa have any business from airlines with pilots on furlough?

paxhauler85 02-09-2009 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by GoBlue (Post 555271)
Does Mesa have any business from airlines with pilots on furlough?

Yes, and RAH has more (3 airlines by my count).

I don't want to see our number (or any others for that matter) go up.

Meaning, no additional reasons for mainline carriers to cut their own pilots loose and hire guys like us.

ToiletDuck 02-09-2009 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 555279)
Yes, and RAH has more (3 airlines by my count).

I don't want to see our number (or any others for that matter) go up.

Meaning, no additional reasons for mainline carriers to cut their own pilots loose and hire guys like us.

Growth in regioinal markets is just fine by me. I'd rather see long term contracts with our legacy carriers and not short term ones with companies on the verge of collapsinig tomorrow putting all those frames back on the parking lot and all our guys back on the street.


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