Holy Batsuit Batman, the "yes's" are winning, lets use the bat computer to hack their APC info and get em, since they dont hold our opinion they must be E.V.I.L ...lol, I jest:D, but I think my point is made...good thing no one knows me...;) Now excuse me while I make up some buttons that say "NO on proposition APC...."

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Or better yet!


Let everyone take the ATP written to prove their [air]worthiness!!


When (if) they pass,

the mods will e-mail them a nicely bordered certificate officiating them as genuine pilots

I think we should keep it a public and anonymous site. Due to legal ramifications I would defiantly restrict my opinions and thoughts if my identification was traceable. The media frensy will pass.

If we want to do something about the media digging for info to manipulate maybe we should consider a "terms of agreement" for publishing info off the site. For instance any info, opinions, comments, ect.. published from this site must accompany some sort of "ridiculous, uncompliable" discloser statement. Anyone else think a terms of agreement for having access to this forum would be a good idea?

In addition, this site helps not only us established pilots but those that are future pilots and I think restricting access would cause more harm than good.

If someone was willing to be charged with identity theft then by all means they could. As far as a subpoena goes what for? It's not illegal it's free speech. How many news stories do you read where the person's name "can't be given due to the sensitive nature of the topic" or "because the source close to the government is not suppose to be speaking of it"? That's VERY far fetched.

To the idea of people come here wanting to learn about aviation I agree 100%. It's an easy fix with a few possible options.

You have the forum kept public for the most part with a section made private for authenticated users. The Hangar and other areas could all be kept public where enthusiast, the media, or anyone else in the civil world could post meanwhile the "Major/Regional/Cargo/etc" sections would be in the area for only validated members. Any questions people had about flight training, education, meteorology, purchasing/selling items, general practices and so on could all be kept public for the whole world to read. When people want to talk more specifics about their companies or instances such as the buff accident they could do so in one of the restricted areas without fear of the civil world abusing your rights to free speech to twisting your words against you.

As far as the validation goes it would be a one time process per user. Give it a grace period where people have a month to submit their information so that way they could be verified without losing access or having the wait in line to get into the restricted area. Just ideas guys nothing to lose any sleep over but if it was decided to go that route I'd most certainly help with validation and think it could be done quickly. Make it NASA form style. All members get a generated ID# sent to their email. You send in your license information and include that ID# you were emailed. That license # is verified against the FAA database and the account with that ID# is activated. The people validating the members would never know which names went to which online names so no worries for those not wanting everyone to know who they are.

OMG how did I never know this!?

I don't see why you'd think you're more safe now than if a section were kept more private for aviators only. The fact that you can be viewed by anyone has already made it simple enough to have you taken out of context. You wouldn't notice any difference than how it already is. Keep current screen names just validate flight status basically. If you used an email to create this account, which all of you have, all the information anyone would ever need is readily available except right now your posts are for all the world to see. All this idea would do is protect you more. You'd still be ehe2 just in a private section.


You guys that say "I'd keep my opinions more to myself if I were traceable" must not realize that you can EASILY be found by the current means. Weren't we just talking about how people posting youtube videos were being hunted down??? Think about it. If you registered for this site using your email that can be traced. Your identity can already be found. Once found it can be cross referenced against the FAA database etc. You are not safer by any means. I had the FAA contact me because of a post made years ago on FI about an incident I witnessed. Another user felt the incident should have been reported so they contacted the FAA on the whistle blower and just referred to my post out of concern. The FAA called me shortly after(couple days) on my cell phone. So they managed to trace my email, find out my name, then use that to find my cell phone number to call me and get my story on the event I saw take place.

Read my above post on how to register and be validated without anyone's identity being given. Make it just like the NASA form system, except all electronic, and there's no way to find out who's who. validate the info, give the ID# approval, delete ID# number after approvals are given. Original user keeps receipt of ID approval while his real name was never connected with his online name.

Common misconception..."Freedom of Speech" is a very specific constitutional right and applies ONLY to the government in the context that the GOVERNMENT may not infringe upon your freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech in no way applies to anyone or anything else...you have NO freedom of speech with regards to non-government employers, people, or organizations.

If you say ANYTHING that your employer does not like, they can fire you unless it is specifically protected by law (ex. whistleblowing activities). Try complaining online about your airline's internal operations or safety practices using your real name...see how long you stay employed. Even the union won't save you from that.

If you say/print ANYTHING derogatory about any person or organization you may be sued for slander/libel. Exceptions would be for simply stating a true fact...which you can PROVE to be true in court.

Certain regional airlines are legendary for suing anyone (employees, ex-employees, bloggers, etc) who badmouth them. They don't have to win, they just have to cause you to blow $25K in legal bills...then the word gets out fast.

So you're saying that posting about a sensitive subject as Rickair7777 for all the public to read is more safe than posting as Rickair7777 in a section for validated pilots only? Sorry but I guess I'm not catching you. Why would a post in a private section be easier to trace than one in a public section? Why would your real name ever have to be known? If I say anything my employer doesn't like I could be fired? There's no law that says you have to be happy with your job. Are there thousands of United pilots fired right now? What about all the ones that protest without strike? Why not just pull to up an "informational picketing" and fire them all then lol.

Go ahead and post a cockpit video of you landing and see if the FAA can't find you since this is so confidential. Everyone and their dog has spoken ill of their airline and I still see them all here. Unless you decide to toss your name out like TonyWilliams there's no harm. You're only protecting yourself.

Don't make the mistake in thinking that your information, real name=screen name, has to be given in order to validate your status and there's nothing that says that delete key can't be used once you've been validated.

As a non-airline guy who would not be able to view any "restricted areas," should APC go to that, I will have to speak up on behalf of my non-airline APC cohorts. Part of the beauty of this site is the fact that people like me who are considering an airline career are able to see the good, the bad, and the ugly of an airline career in general, and at specific airlines. For people like me, that knowledge is extremely valuable, and I would be extremely disappointed if APC went to a "restricted area" format. In fact, I would probably quit visiting the site altogether, as would many other people in my position. This is the only place where people like me can obtain any useful information.

Sure, there are non-airline guys on here that make things difficult sometimes. Then there are people like me who just mainly observe, stay out of the way, and post a question or request clarification every once in awhile. I have found the most useful information to be in the Major, Cargo, and Regional forums. Honestly, there would be no reason for someone like me to visit this site anymore if access to those sections were cut out. You tell me...look at the number of threads and and posts in the Hangar Talk/Flight School/Flight Training sections and compare that with the number of threads and posts in the Major, Cargo, and Regional sections. There is a HUGE discrepancy. I would have OVER 85% LESS information to browse.

Nope. For example, I'm not in there. I am on the FAA's (nothing "special" going on with my certificates, either). I'd like to see users validated somehow (then discard the information, perhaps?), but HSLD is right about the labor involved, especially when tracking down glitches like this.

Indeed.

To get certificate numbers you have to do a(n) FOIA request, IIRC. More labor.