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Rnav 03-09-2009 07:08 PM
No I paid to be trained (PFT your right thats what I did). I was paid during an internship(250 hrs)
hahaha, paid to be trained? Last time I check when I got in the rightseat of the my 121 company it was called IOE. And yes they(the company) paid me to fly passengers around. But you are right on one thing, I had an internship where the company taught me how to fly. But in my case they PAID for my internship. NICE concept isn't it?

watchyouralt 03-09-2009 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Rnav (Post 575557)
hahaha, paid to be trained? Last time I check when I got in the rightseat of the my 121 company it was called IOE. And yes they(the company) paid me to fly passengers around. But you are right on one thing, I had an internship where the company taught me how to fly. But in my case they PAID for my internship. NICE concept isn't it?
Was this xjt if you dont mind me asking?

Rnav 03-09-2009 07:56 PM
Nope, one of the other PAID internship 121 operator's out there ;)

forumname 03-09-2009 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by FLYLOW22 (Post 572267)
The competitive interviewee actually selected for an interview at UAL in 1998 (for a white male) was 7,000 hours TT 2,500 TPIC and 4 type ratings... on average.

Advertised vs actual.

Nancy Studke was the source.

I believe that in the 2000 time frame, those numbers came down to 4-500 TT, 12-1500 TPIC, and 2 type ratings.

Zapata 03-09-2009 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
No I paid to be trained (PFT your right thats what I did). I was paid during an internship(250 hrs), and I in turn recieved a job offer, like many others, by working hard, and getting some line captains to write a letter of recomendation for me. I didnt warm the right seat, I flew every other leg during my 250, w/o auto pilot or FMS, but Im tired of saying that over and over, some people just have tunnel vision...no sense arguing with them.
What? You want a pat on the back because you flew some legs? Actually, you did warm the right seat. The Captain was there to hold your hand after you bought your plane ride in the right seat.

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
The program works (exactly as its advertised),
Since you drank the Kool Aid and they have your money, yes, the "program" worked very well. BTW; Being a professional pilot is not a "program", junior. Wait! You're not even a "junior" since you were never an airline pilot.



Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
and frankly its an ok gig for a first 121 op.
Oh? What other "121 op" have you worked for that you could draw such a comparison?

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
The line pilots at GIA are for the most part a good bunch of guys.
I'm sure there are a bunch of good guys at GIA.....the ones that didn't buy their ride.

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
Everyone out here on furlough has two choices, do what you can and make a better path for yourself, or bury your head in a computer and waste away griping about how YOU(entitled) were wronged by someone else....which are we gonna be?.....
While you have buried your head in your own self doubt and guilt? Most of us do try for a better path but, "programs" (notice I didn't say "job") like PFJ does affect the industry in a negative way and you're certainly not helping. Everyone is not their own island.

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 575520)
(Now excuse me, I'm gonna go pay for more training, thats right more PFT...when I get my CFI. Oh no, Wait I guess PFT is wrong, maybe I shouldnt...get real)..I know Im gonna get flamed...oh well..
It has been shown to you over and over that PFT in this context is NOT the same as getting a rating. Does an attorney have to pay a law firm after he has passed the bar?

You're not getting flamed at all. You're just being corrected by people that actually care about the integrity of the profession......something you know nothing about. Apparently, you don't even care to know anything about professionalism. See? Professionals actually get paid to to work, not buy a ride and pay more than a passenger to occupy a seat that is normally occupied by someone that actually gets paid to work.

If I ever have a GIA badged pilot that requests a jumpseat, I am going to ask questions. If I find that the GIA pilot participated in "the program", they'll have to find another ride.

de727ups 03-09-2009 08:57 PM
Gulfstream style PFJ is a bad way to enter the biz. We have Tprop here trying to paint it in the best light he can put fourth. He's done about as good a job as I've seen since the blight of PFJ has been on us. But, in the end, I find no reason to sway on my opinion of Gulfstream's "buy an airline pilot job" program.

Gulfstream's scheme of buying your way into a 121 airline pilot job is a bad deal for our profession. It lowers the bar in a profession that is seeing constant attacks from all directions and makes a mockery of the process of becoming an airline pilot.

There are few things I'd call a fellow pilot out for, but this is one. Make no bones about it. People that enter the biz via Gulfstream need to be educated on the harm this does to the profession.

Airhoss 03-10-2009 07:58 AM
Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 575610)
Gulfstream style PFJ is a bad way to enter the biz. We have Tprop here trying to paint it in the best light he can put fourth. He's done about as good a job as I've seen since the blight of PFJ has been on us. But, in the end, I find no reason to sway on my opinion of Gulfstream's "buy an airline pilot job" program.

Gulfstream's scheme of buying your way into a 121 airline pilot job is a bad deal for our profession. It lowers the bar in a profession that is seeing constant attacks from all directions and makes a mockery of the process of becoming an airline pilot.

There are few things I'd call a fellow pilot out for, but this is one. Make no bones about it. People that enter the biz via Gulfstream need to be educated on the harm this does to the profession.
I am in 100% agreement! This is a blight on the whole industry.


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