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hslightnin 02-27-2009 05:08 PM

Better Work Rules = more jobs
 
So if the FAA where to change some work rules for us, how many jobs can come from each? for example if they changed the duty from 16 to 12, 30 in 10, 10 hours behind door rest, ect..

the duty could create allot of jobs for the international flights
the 30 in 10 could create some across the board
10 hours rest would affect mostly the regionals

point is write your congressman these need to be changed anyway.

Seatownflyer 02-27-2009 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 568630)
So if the FAA where to change some work rules for us, how many jobs can come from each? for example if they changed the duty from 16 to 12, 30 in 10, 10 hours behind door rest, ect..

the duty could create allot of jobs for the international flights
the 30 in 10 could create some across the board
10 hours rest would affect mostly the regionals

point is write your congressman these need to be changed anyway.

Awhile back someone pointed out that if rest requirements change then we'd lose quite a few days off that we currently enjoy. I'm not saying I'm for or against longer rest requirements but I sure do like my days off.

forumname 02-27-2009 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Seatownflyer (Post 568631)
Awhile back someone pointed out that if rest requirements change then we'd lose quite a few days off that we currently enjoy. I'm not saying I'm for or against longer rest requirements but I sure do like my days off.

I remember reading that. Also, I wouldn't put it past some companies to make EVERY overnight right at the minimum. If it was 10 hours, then every overnight will be a 10 hour to get maximum productivity out of the crews.

At my current company, a typical 4 day has one overnight in the 12-14 hour range, then the other two in the 8-10 hour range. I could easily see the above case happening if the example of a min 10 hour overnight becoming FAR.

rickair7777 02-28-2009 07:32 AM

The companies will not want to build a trip full of minimum rest overnights...as soon as the schedule slips, you can never catch up.

We would end up losing days off (or maybe there would be more standups?).

afterburn81 02-28-2009 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 568934)
The companies will not want to build a trip full of minimum rest overnights...as soon as the schedule slips, you can never catch up.

We would end up losing days off (or maybe there would be more standups?).

Not only that but wouldn't your overall pay get less? Seems like if you weren't able to work as much, you would get paid less. Am I missing something?

TPROP4ever 03-02-2009 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 569051)
Not only that but wouldn't your overall pay get less? Seems like if you weren't able to work as much, you would get paid less. Am I missing something?

agreed, while it sounds good in theory, the big issue is if the cut your block times back, do you really think the airlines are going to raise the hourly wage. Not sure that it would work in our favor, no matter how much we would like to have to cut duty days down

Avroman 03-02-2009 06:01 PM

I dont' have any problem with 8 block hours per day it's trying to do it (or any amount of flying) in a 15 hour duty day and throwing in a really early show or late release the day before or after on top of it.

HSLD 03-02-2009 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 568630)
So if the FAA where to change some work rules for us, how many jobs can come from each? for example if they changed the duty from 16 to 12, 30 in 10, 10 hours behind door rest, ect..

the duty could create allot of jobs for the international flights
the 30 in 10 could create some across the board
10 hours rest would affect mostly the regionals

point is write your congressman these need to be changed anyway.

The FAA has a dual role, to promote and regulate. The NTSB has cited this conflict of interest for years as not making the skies as safe as they could be.

The promotion role is heavily influenced by IATA lobbies that would strenuously fight any additional expense to it's members (the airlines).

Bottom line is that the airlines have a better union than any labor organization in terms of influencing regulatory change of the FARs.

The best bet IMO is still patterned bargaining by labor.

TPROP4ever 03-02-2009 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 570621)
I dont' have any problem with 8 block hours per day it's trying to do it (or any amount of flying) in a 15 hour duty day and throwing in a really early show or late release the day before or after on top of it.

I think we all agree on that for sure, but I foresee if the duty day came down to say 10 hrs, that the block time would drop to, we'd still sit as much, but I could be wrong. Opinions??/

Rama04 03-02-2009 06:32 PM

Small Problem
 
I have written recently but, for the vast majority of airline pilots, 16 hours isn't their duty period. At many airlines, your duty period is less than 15 and rare if it goes that far . . .
A lot of contracts restrict their pilots to way less than 16 - these pilots dont care to write . . . ALPA needs to grow a set . . .


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