ASA RJ Off runway, no one hurt
 

Glad to know everyone was ok. Regardless of the factors, I must say, though, these past weeks have been bad publicity for the regionals among the general public.

It was A ASA 700 off end of 18. No one hurt....except for some feelings.

Man you guys posted this up fast!!! Im betting a wet runway was involved. 4300 ft doesn't allowmuch if any room for error.

oh wait its SAV not HHH. woops

Between that and the -200 that caught fire at TLH, it just wasn't a good day. Thank goodness nobody got hurt in either incident

I tell you, those turboprops just aren't safe!

Aviation accidents often happen in threes...

Seem like they've been happening in bigger bunches lately.

Seems like the vast majority of incidents and accidents over the last few years have been regional/commuters.
Duty hours? Maint programs? Reduced Rest, Pushing pilots to fly...

I'm curious how many hours/flight the regionals do compared to the majors... seems like our frequency is much higher than theirs.... so perhaps that would account for the larger number of incidents in the regionals..

Nope. Mainline flies more than twice what the regionals feed. Take UEX, one of the largest regional outfits around, is just shy of 50/50. Most carriers are far less...

That might be true in terms of flight hours. However, what about cycles? I don't know but, it seems like the regionals do more T/O's and ldgs than mainline.......except for maybe Southwest.

I was in SAV today. The rumor is that they touched down past the intersection of 9-27 on 18. Glad everyone's OK.

I've flown out of SAV many times when I was stationed out of MCAS Beaufort. If that is true - that would have been quite the float down the runway! If I remember correctly - SAV Rwy 18/36 is approx 7,000 long and Rwy9/27 almost intersects it at the mid-point.

USMCFLYR

I'm always scared that the dead people under the runway there might jack up my landings!

Glad everyone is okay.

Total % of Overall Block Hour Flying
(U.S., Canada, Mexico City)
Carrier Mainline Fee-for-Departure
AAA 51.0% 49.0%
ACA 54.0% 46.0%
AMR 63.6% 36.4%
CAL 48.5% 51.5%
DAL 43.7% 56.3%
NWA 54.9% 45.1%
UAL 51.8% 48.2%
Data compiled by ALPA Economic & Financial Analysis.

A couple months ago Sky magazine had an article about making Delta/ Delta Connection carriers and service a more "seamless" experience for passengers -- considering that two thirds of all Delta flights are operated by Delta Connection. That's what the article said..

Best briefing an FO ever gave me happened a few months back, he said "my landings feel like they suck but I land in the touchdown zone and on the center line everytime, I'm working on the 'smooth' part." I laughed my as$ off. He's the only one to ever say that. So I'm reasonably certain it wasn't him...did Linda go down there?

pretty much sums up mine :)

Ouch...., haha!!!!!! :eek:

While there have been several RJ incidents recently there does not seem to be any real pattern. I can think of accidents involving the majors as well. 737 off runway in CMH, US Air in the Hudson, CAL burning in DEN, SWA in Chicago, AMR loosing a couple engines on the MDs (and by that I mean the engine separated), Quantas having a few rather large holes blown out of the side of their aircraft, BA having a 777 fall short of the runway, 757 landing on taxiway in EWR, Frontier guys falling asleep, NWA guys getting arrested for drinking, DAL having an engine come apart on TO roll(just a recent event that's all), etc.

These are all off the top of my head. Anyone that says it's happening at he regionals more isn't paying attention. I've yet to see anything that points to any anomaly in the safety records. Everything seems to be spread out pretty evenly to me.

So, any word on what happened?

What is going on, the major accidents as well as these minor ones, mesaba, asa, etc? All the 1000 hour CAs are downgraded and the IOE FOs are all furloughed this shouldn't be happening...

I hope everyone can agree that regionals are having more accidents at least in part because rapid growth and diminished pay has resulted in lower hiring standards for pilots. Not saying this is specifically true of any specific pilot who has had an accident/incident, but as a generalization. Maybe these events will help the flying public/mgnt realize that lives are literally in our hands every time we go to work and that to attract the best pilots you have to pay them what they are worth.

I think anyone in a rj now has enough time in it to be safe, and regardless, if you pay me $1 an hour or $100 an hour, I am going to do my job and be safe.

The public knows we're paid crap. There's a big difference between what someone knows vs. what someone wants to believe. There have been numerous articles and news stories on the wages in the regional industry. Heck, we had Sullenberger make the same statement on live national news in front of Congress and still - nothing. People just block this stuff out. If anything interrupts there little "$49 each-way utopia" then they don't want to know about it.

And you can be rest assured management doesn't care either. The airlines and executives are insured for any kind of accident, regardless of the level of negligence, and have golden parachutes if all else fails. So why WOULDN'T they continue to do business as usual? Because the FAA might give them a slap on the wrist or a little fine for pushing it?

As much as I'd love to agree with that, I don't think there's enough evidence to support the case. Yet.... You'll find plenty of high-time people at major airlines operate like barnstormers.

My big problem is the maturity level of a lot of these boneheads, of all age groups, that get hired on. It's embarressing how many morons can upgrade or get hired into this biz at all.

*edit*

And by the way, these comments are not intended to be aimed at the ASA crew that went off the runway. Bad things happen to great pilots all the time and none of us are immune.

Long duty days and reduced rest, sure, but I don't think you can say it's due to lower quality pilots. At least not unless you can prove that some of these guys had had trouble in training or something like that, which I doubt you would find.

Actually, if you pay me $1 I am going to do my job and be safe as possible while worrying about where am I going to cut 99 dollars out of my household budget...

So.....any news of what happened?