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Tragic......:(.

May they REST in PEACE and RISE in GLORY.

atp

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 583117)

I certainly hope that CNN got it all wrong on this one. RIP

Good call. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. It amazes me how much the media will speculate while they have absolutly no clue what they are talking about.

That being said, I'm going to go hug my son

CNN now says 14 total with 7 of the being kids. How sad.

RIP

TPROP, I can't think of any accident that "turned out well" for aviation. Sadly, I believe it IS true. A plane crashed and people were killed.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 583328)

TPROP, I can't think of any accident that "turned out well" for aviation. Sadly, I believe it IS true. A plane crashed and people were killed.

Yeah, point taken, I was just simply trying to say lets not speculate, but it doesnt look good...it is sad, but even worse if what they are reporting is true. Like Rickair said, lets hope their wrong.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 583328)

TPROP, I can't think of any accident that "turned out well" for aviation. Sadly, I believe it IS true. A plane crashed and people were killed.

The 1935 crash that killed Senator Bronson Cutting caused the FDR administration to begin the process that authorized the Civil Aeronautics Act, leading to accident investigation by an independent party.

Prior to this, pilots who were no longer alive to defend themselves almost unilaterally received the blame for any crash, as neither airplane manufacturers nor the government wanted to accept blame.

Read this in Flying the Line on a recommendation from this forum last year. Good history.

At least in that case, something positive came from an accident. Hopefully we can learn something from this one as well.

Index

Absolutely ... the media has no clue how many pax that plane can hold, so if they hear something they will run with it. Hopefully their numbers are off my a good margin

Amount of people seems plausible... "lap child". Doubt they all fit the requirements for that though.

If this really was an illegal charter, I hope and pray the FAA & DOJ *hammers* anybody still alive who was associated with or responsible for it.

At the very least, I can see insurance walking away from this thing due to gross negligence of the pilot loading the airplane beyond its max certificated passenger amount.

Pilot in Montana crash had years of experience

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BUTTE, Mont. – Investigators say the 65-year-old pilot of a plane that crashed in Butte, Mont. — killing all 14 aboard — was a former Air Force pilot with thousands of flight hours piloting civilian aircraft.

The National Transportation Safety Board also says that pilot Buddy Summerfield's decision to divert the flight to Butte from Bozeman should not have created problems because that was the original backup plan.

Summerfield was flying six adults and seven children to a ski vacation at the ritzy Yellowstone Club resort south of Bozeman when the plane crashed Sunday.

The NTSB says it expects to recover all the aircraft wreckage by Friday, but answers could be months away.

NTSB acting chairman Mark Rosenker says standard procedure calls for toxicology tests on the pilot's body, but results could be weeks away.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

BUTTE, Mont. (AP) — Investigators say a plane that plummeted into a cemetery next to Butte, Mont.'s airport — killing all 14 people aboard — was designed to hold just 10 people.

The National Transportation Safety Board said Monday it first thought the plane could hold 11 people. But after talking to the owner, they realize it was designed only for 10.

Seven of the 14 passengers were children under 10. Mark Rosenker, acting chairman of the NTSB, says children under 2 years old can sit on the laps of adults — but only one of the children was that young.

Rosenker says investigators want to find out if the plane was over its weight limits. But he says people should not jump to conclusions and pinpoint overloading as the cause of the crash.