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Gunga Galunga 04-04-2009 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 590395)
The "red arrow days" are because they cut all lines below guarantee to prevent lineholders from flying over block, and thus save money. The unintended consequence of this was that they created more lines, and thus had less reserves available, creating the low coverage ("red arrow") days.

As said above, we are not understaffed. When we are understaffed, you'll see lines at 85-90 hours, reserves hitting 75, and people getting extended and junior manned on sunny days.

Expect to see slight improvement in May and much improvement in June. Don't expect to see recalls until late Spring 2010 if at all.


I think ASA and the furloughees have bigger problems than a call back date if your doom and gloom "if at all" predictions comes true for what equates to <80 people

Trip7 04-04-2009 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 590399)
Exactly John. There is another 2 for 1 deal in the works.

Where would the 900s be coming from?

acl65pilot 04-04-2009 12:29 PM

Probably the plant.

Trip7 04-04-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 590522)
Probably the plant.

I thought the new scope agreement has it at 150-something which we're already at?

acl65pilot 04-04-2009 04:59 PM

nope up to 255 total 70 and or 76 seat jets. 153 is the limit now until they got over 763 mailine jets. When they go over that it is three 76 seaters for each mainline jet up to a total of 255. Now they are only 32 away from the combo of 70 and 76 seat RJ's but they can trade in a 70 seater for a 76 seater if they so choose. Not sure if that will be economically feasible but they can do it.

SilverandSore 04-04-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by TP199 (Post 590380)
its a contract that you signed. the people that are furloughed, and more, did not get to vote on it. look at all the 'red arrow days'. we obviously need to recall. imagine how bad it will be in the summer.


Oh, they voted on it. They 'voted' to came work here and took the job by agreeing to the conditions set forth in the current contract. Red arrow days are not your best indication of staffing levels...

TP199 04-05-2009 06:52 AM

two excellent points

Gunga Galunga 04-05-2009 09:01 AM

what about the total of ASA aircraft? Can it be changed depending on block hours?

surreal1221 04-05-2009 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 590399)
Exactly John. There is another 2 for 1 deal in the works.

Wonderful.

Negative Growth + PBS = many more people out of work. Throw the meat.

SilkySmooth 04-05-2009 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 590674)
Oh, they voted on it. They 'voted' to came work here and took the job by agreeing to the conditions set forth in the current contract. Red arrow days are not your best indication of staffing levels...

The "conditions" set forth in the current contract include the following statements:

1. "The Company will use best efforts to provide an adequate number of pilots (including reserves) to cover the scheduled time, vacations, training and known sick leave, military leave, and attrition."


I would put forth that with the current number of red arrow days, the Company is not putting forth their best effort to provide adequate pilots, for if they were, we wouldn't haven't furloughed in the first place. Since the furlough took place recently (in February), this should have been foreseeable, seeing that the company most likely had a good idea of anticipated flying for the months of March and April when they chose to furlough.


2. "All regular line holders will be permitted to bid to pick up and swap initial open time." and "If a day becomes designated at any time during the open time process as a restricted day, any swap request processed thereafter may be denied."

With the number of red arrow days currently displayed, the company is essentially preventing rather than permitting regular line holders to pick up and swap initial open time.

3. "The Company will determine the number and distribution of reserve on-call periods."

Every single Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are designated red arrow days this month. Once again the Company is not fulfilling its duty to properly determine the number and distribution of reserve on-call periods. If, as you say, red arrow days are not a good indication of levels of staffing, then perhaps someone from the Association needs to help them, as it is quite evident that weekends are either improperly staffed, or that the levels of reserve staffing required have been improperly calculated.

4. "If there are insufficient reserve pilots within any bucket, the Company may
create available reserve pilots by moving non-inviolate days off or by
modifying a trip to accommodate the available buckets."

Either we are short of reserve pilots, or we have too many working Monday through Thursday. If the latter is true, then the company is also not fulfilling its duty to create available reserve pilots by moving non-inviolate days off.






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