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Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 589559)

Yup they basically ensure a fatigued crewmember to keep from having to staff the airline properly to cover both shifts.... been there done that here at Mesaba too.... Gotta love a 6 am call to be told to go back to sleep so you can show at 7 pm and work all night til 9 am the next day......

Yeah, I can't say I'm too thrilled about it and I really think they should have mentioned that I was off duty tomorrow til my show time in the original notification but hey, this is why we get paid so much....wait...:eek::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 588805)

Even 1 day senior is still senior. Seniority is everything and being junior sucks not matter how senior the senior guys are.

I agree, but that's not the point. The point is that these guys act like their crap doesn't stink. God's gift to aviation, etc... They have this "senior" attitude even though they really haven't been doing the airline thing very long. They were lucky enough to get in during the explosive growth period and never sat reserve. I understand how being junior sucks and you are paying your dues, etc, but all I ask is a little respect. These people have no idea what it is like to commute to reserve for over a year, with no end in sight.

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Originally Posted by IBFlyin (Post 588980)

Skyw

10 in 30/11 in 31 days off for reserves

Long call 12 hours and short call 2 hours to check in

Reserve bucket system, either call me first (Most senior CF called first), or "no preference" (Most junior called first)

Trips are assigned in bucket order (4 day trips to 4 day bucket, etc.) in the following order: long call CMF, long call NP, short call CMF, short call NP

Min day guarantee of 3.75 only applies if trip was not modified from its PBS version. As soon as CS modifies it, MDG disappears, and you get the credit for the flying only(at least this is how it was explained to me). Duty rig applies to scheduled and rescheduled reserve trips, but time spent on a deadhead does not count towards duty rig(Also how I had it explained to me) Also cancellation pay does not apply to reserves. Not getting calledl equals 0 credit for the day.

Ready reserve depends on base, sometimes it is attached to one leg, and can be anywhere from a few minutes long to upwards of six hours (depends on what mood CS is in) Other bases call you out to sit in the airport for 7:30 with no flight assignments. RR sits in this case are limited to 7:30. RR credits half of your duty time.

There is no limit to amount of ready sits, and whoever is up to be called is who gets it (sucks when you go to call first to try to fly and just end up sitting ready) LCR has to have a flight assignment scheduled in order to be called, it cant just be ready. But fly one leg and then ready is acceptable.

We have what the company calls reserve transparency, most pilots call it reserve translucency. It provides little info on other assignments that have been assigned.

Our reserve lines are built and we choose from what is built for us. You basically end up with the same days off each week. Alternating between two days off a week and three days off a week. CS will not let you trade days with yourself unless youre going from an above min reserve day to a below min reserve day. If both days are above min reserves, you cant trade with yourself. Very frustrating.

AM/PM reserves, AM is generally 4a-4p or 5a-5p, PM is 9a-9p. Long call on call 24 hours a day.

We have an early release program, our policy says if they are above min reserve coverage, they will release in order that requests are received. You request how early you want a release, whether or not they accept is up to CS.

100% DH pay.

CS not allowed to schedule us over 14 hours without our consent. They try though. If delays occur we have to fly to 16 hours.

One thing to add for the credit on reserve. All those days paid less than 3:45 and any reserve day where you didn't work will get adjusted up to 3:45 if you manage to break guarantee with what you work. If you can manage to get to 75:00 hours your paycheck can suddenly jump to over 90 hours when they go adjust all the days you credited under 3:45 and pay you for reserve days you didn't get called.

They make it very tough to break guarantee, but it can be a nice bonus when you do.

Does vacation and sick pay go toward breaking guarantee at Skywest? Seems to me I heard it does.

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Originally Posted by ehaeckercfi (Post 589823)

Don't worry some of those people are learning what it's like to live reserve... they are just lucky enough to be doing so for Saab Captain pay.

Let's see how well I can explain American Eagle's...

-Ready Reserve varies in time between bases...generally an AM and a PM. (0530-1330, 1400-2200)

-While on ready reserve you get paid per diem. No limit on how many times you can sit ready reserve, each ready reserve shift has its own line. You might have the AM ready reserve all month.

-2 Hr call out. Shifts are usually 0400-1900 or 1000-0100.

-2 hr calls are made starting at the bottom of the list. Junior guys get called first while senior guys will be called last or not at all.

-Reserve proffering system. Lets reserves bid for the trips that are open the following day.

-The whole reserve system is seniority based. There is no bucket, nothing is based on how many hours you've flown.

-Senior guys generally don't fly much. Middle of the list flies about 40 hrs a month and the bottom part of the list usually flies the least.

-Min 11 days off a month.

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Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 590086)

Don't worry some of those people are learning what it's like to live reserve... they are just lucky enough to be doing so for Saab Captain pay.

Haha, I think I know exactly who you are talking about. Memphis based. I'm not gonna say any names... :D

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Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 590042)

Does vacation and sick pay go toward breaking guarantee at Skywest? Seems to me I heard it does.

It does. if you get sick, they take 3.75 out of our user time and apply it to our credit. The way the breaking guarantee thing works: The vast majority of the time you get paid what you work, theres no daily guarantee. So one day you might credit 1:50, another day 2:55, the next 5:45, so on and so forth. If at the end of the month your credit is 74.9, you get your guarantee of 75 hours. If your credit is 75:01, you now broke guarantee. So every day you were not called, or were called and used less than 3.75, those days come up to 3.75 credit. I had one month were I started the last day of the month at 73.5 credit, made it over 75, and ended up with 98 credit for the month. Made 25 hours in one day. Ive broken guarantee once in about a year. And I spend most of my time on call first. CS definitely keeps an eye on your credit. Many have been used like crazy for the first 3 weeks of a month, get to around 70 hours, and then hear nothing from CS. Back to the question about sick time going towards breaking guarantee, Im sure you can imagine how may call in "sick" on their last day of RSV for the month when they have 72 hours credited....

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Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 590093)

Let's see how well I can explain American Eagle's...

-Reserve proffering system. Lets reserves bid for the trips that are open the following day.

I think this would be a huge boost in reserve QOL. For commuters at least, you could attempt to make reserve commutable. Any one else have this? I think this is the first Ive heard it mentioned. Also, anyone get any additional pay for sitting ready? skyw gets 50% credit for time on ready, but this doesnt help if you dont break guarantee. Id almost rather see 25% pay ON TOP of guarantee. That would also help to keep them from putting pilots on ready just because they can.

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Originally Posted by IBFlyin (Post 590336)

That sounds like crap... Basically you've just described both types of reserve at once at Mesaba. Straight you get nothing for a day not called no matter what you credit for the month. Build up you get the 3.75 credit for a day not called no matter what you credit for the month.