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resetjet 05-06-2009 04:08 PM

ASA Performance+ Payout
 
Looks like we're getting it after all, checks in the mail early next week!

John Pennekamp 05-06-2009 07:18 PM

I think that's great. Morale has been in the dumps and apparently SkyWest management has come through again to patch things up. For BH to say I think you deserve a bonus even though we didn't meet the parameters is impressive.

SayAgain 05-07-2009 03:24 AM

I was hoping someone would mention this. Skywest went above and beyond on this one, showing once again they appreciate their employees. Smart move too, with summer coming and flying up. They'll need us busting our humps out there.

resetjet 05-07-2009 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 606532)
I think that's great. Morale has been in the dumps and apparently SkyWest management has come through again to patch things up. For BH to say I think you deserve a bonus even though we didn't meet the parameters is impressive.

I agree, it's going to be one hell of a summer and this is a great way to boost morale. Whatever people think of BH/management it's a good decision all around and makes me feel good about working for them, especially when the fall flying is still up in the air and plenty of people are worried about furloughs and downgrades

Airsupport 05-07-2009 05:46 AM

i am glad you guys are all excited about the bonus, but are they going to send a bonus to the guys on furlough while you are busting your butts covering the flying this summer?

SilverandSore 05-07-2009 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 606641)
i am glad you guys are all excited about the bonus, but are they going to send a bonus to the guys on furlough while you are busting your butts covering the flying this summer?



What does that have to do with anything? Stick to your own problems, don't you have a contract to sign yet? Oh wait, you guys are too busy showing them you mean business...

Airsupport 05-07-2009 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 606650)
What does that have to do with anything? Stick to your own problems, don't you have a contract to sign yet? Oh wait, you guys are too busy showing them you mean business...

thats your best response? my response was to the previous posts about how they are glad they got the check because they are going to have to work extra hard this summer. i sure hope you guys enjoy those little checks you are going to get at the cost of working extra hard this summer while you have guys on the street. furloughed pilots are my problem. the displaced captains here at pinnacle are my problem. but yeah i just thought i would point you to this thread. maybe your bonus check is the savings from furloughing your fellow pilots. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...lough-asa.html

i mean does anyone else think its a little weird that you guys didn't meet the performance goals to merit the bonus, but they are going to give you one anyway? why would they do that? nice guys? no, they have more flying coming this summer and would really like to avoid recalling anyone.

you sound like another ive got mine guy. but hey, at least your not furloughed right? sad really.


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 606532)
I think that's great. Morale has been in the dumps and apparently SkyWest management has come through again to patch things up. For BH to say I think you deserve a bonus even though we didn't meet the parameters is impressive.




Originally Posted by SayAgain (Post 606611)
I was hoping someone would mention this. Skywest went above and beyond on this one, showing once again they appreciate their employees. Smart move too, with summer coming and flying up. They'll need us busting our humps out there.


TimSmith 05-07-2009 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 606650)
What does that have to do with anything? Stick to your own problems, don't you have a contract to sign yet? Oh wait, you guys are too busy showing them you mean business...

I really have to say "bad form" on this one. I have talked to some of the guys I still know over there. Some, NOT ALL, but some on reserve have been flying 80 hours a month. This is despicable by management to do to the 80 furloughees. Fly the reserves above guarantee, have MORE flying planned to cover this summer, and still have the audacity to tell 80 guys you convinced to leave their previous jobs that there is no flying for them. I don't get into the business of telling others to sacrifice, but I know several ASA pilots that are not picking up open time and flying the contract with regards to junior manning right now. I hope others can see to join them until the full workforce is back on property.

SilverandSore 05-07-2009 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 606657)
thats your best response? my response was to the previous posts about how they are glad they got the check because they are going to have to work extra hard this summer. i sure hope you guys enjoy those little checks you are going to get at the cost of working extra hard this summer while you have guys on the street. furloughed pilots are my problem. the displaced captains here at pinnacle are my problem. but yeah i just thought i would point you to this thread. maybe your bonus check is the savings from furloughing your fellow pilots. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...lough-asa.html

i mean does anyone else think its a little weird that you guys didn't meet the performance goals to merit the bonus, but they are going to give you one anyway? why would they do that? nice guys? no, they have more flying coming this summer and would really like to avoid recalling anyone.

you sound like another ive got mine guy. but hey, at least your not furloughed right? sad really.


Oh spare me the 'off the back of the furloughs' crap, you don't even work here. As for this summer...working 'extra hard' in the form of 85 hour lines? Staffing reserves at 18-20%? Oh yeah, we're in for it!

I don't think our staffing model is suffering right now. Does that mean summer won't be a goat rope? Probably not, but it's a stretch to say that the bonuses are coming off the back of the 80 guys on the street. As for the company buying good will, who knows, who cares, it's good business on their part, something we haven't traditionally been exposed to at ASA.

Secondly, let's talk contract (something you guys might get one day...)

According to our contract, a pilot is eligible for payout if they are on active status as of the last day of the quarter and have worked at least one-half of that quarter for a payout for that quarter. So, according to the contract under which we're flying and we agreed to fly under, the company has no obligation to pay the furloughs. Whine all you want about being a good union soldier, but the fact is the two are separate here.

SilverandSore 05-07-2009 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by TimSmith (Post 606662)
I really have to say "bad form" on this one. I have talked to some of the guys I still know over there. Some, NOT ALL, but some on reserve have been flying 80 hours a month. This is despicable by management to do to the 80 furloughees. Fly the reserves above guarantee, have MORE flying planned to cover this summer, and still have the audacity to tell 80 guys you convinced to leave their previous jobs that there is no flying for them. I don't get into the business of telling others to sacrifice, but I know several ASA pilots that are not picking up open time and flying the contract with regards to junior manning right now. I hope others can see to join them until the full workforce is back on property.

I'd love for everyone to get their job back, I flew with a few of them and I hate to see folks get tossed out. But the fact is the numbers do not support their coming back. Line values at or around 65 and 'some' reserves going over guarantee doesn't support it. There is a lot of room in the line values and the ratio of reserves before our staffing model needs to change. Avoiding open time does nothing to help their coming back either. That's just the reality.

As for being in bad form, Air Support is the General Lee of APC. He's Pinnacle's biggest FO cheerleader. Him commenting on the goings-on at ASA, and telling us we're profiting off the backs of our furloughed is laughable. Sorry if it appears somewhat edgy.


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