And that's why the truth needs to become known.... People are shocked to find out I only get paid 75 hours per month especially when I put that in the terms of office worker 160 hour a month at work and pay. Me about 300 at work 75 paid......

hehehe. It seems I ruffled a few feathers with that comment!

All I said was that I've never heard anybody claim that before. True statement. Then again, a disproportionate number of guys I fly with live in CA. Now I guess I've heard otherwise.

FWIW, moving into base would have been a wash for me (other than the cost of moving) - so that's the "world in which I live." As much as I hate commuting, I'm not moving my fam away from western WA just so I can fly airplanes. For that reason, I'll be a commuter until I find my way out of this "career."

Now simmer down, Beavis.....

Been saying that for awhile. Most want to keep their heads in the sand. Wake up people 300 hr per diem is 300 hr at work! And yes sleeping in the hotel room is time at work. Does a fireman clock out when he goes to sleep at the station? Duty time payscales people think about it.

A lot of us did exactly that.

Roger Cohen is the worst I want to know what his w-2 looks like. I also want him to take one of the classic 4days complete with maint issues , wx, early shows, reduced rest.

Yeah I should have thought a few seconds longer about it before I posted. But mil guys get awesome benefits and retirement. Regional AND mainline pilots get lousy pay AND no benefits or retirement.

Agree 100%. Would love to see some progress made in this direction. An incentive for more efficient crew utilization may benefit both pilots and airlines. Unfortunately, given how long the current system has been in place, I doubt anything short of government intervention will change it.

Seriously? When I was a butter bar I got an all expense paid trip to jet camp. It was rediculous. Nearly every butter bar gets a year of UPT and 6 months of Graduate pilot training. Nobody does anything usefull until 1st LT. I was told at UPT that the two most useless ranks in the AF are 2LT and Major. 2LTs just learn a job and Majors learn how to manage an operation.

Unfortunately, 0-1 pay does somewhat resemble first year airline pay. The difference is that the benefits in the military are excellent. Airline benefits kinda suck these days.

Mil Guys also get the pleasure of getting shot at aswell I am not going to turn this into a Mil/Civ issue its like comparing apples to grapes. As far as justification for military retirement and benefits, your risk of becoming a POW or MIA or KIA is fairly slim flying 121 if your 121 job merit the same compensation I think you should have to go true SERE training Water Survival and the host of Schools before you even set foot in a flight deck, ok rant over but I hope you see my point.

Fly Safe

"I don't see any reason why we should get paid less than a 2nd Lt. in the military" Ducks QUOTE

I never mentioned untill now Anything about UPT or Pilot training I have several friends who went to UPT as Captains just waiting for a slot some came from different AFSCs as for JET CAMP No comment