Should not ALPA do something????
05-15-2009, 07:40 PM
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Should not ALPA do something????
It was just thinking that it is the perfect time for ALPA to steep up and do something about Pilot pay at the regionals, Scheduling and QOL. Specially now that is hot on the media before it cools down it can draw a lot more attention.
How about we contact our ALPA reps to try to make our union do something to increase our already degraded QOL????
How about we contact our ALPA reps to try to make our union do something to increase our already degraded QOL????
05-15-2009, 07:45 PM
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What is ALPA going to do? Go to mgmt and ask for more money and mgmt will give it because they are good people?
The fact is that in 3 months people will be back to thinking that all pilots make 100K a year and forget what a regional airline is.
The fact is that in 3 months people will be back to thinking that all pilots make 100K a year and forget what a regional airline is.
05-15-2009, 10:07 PM
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[quote=The Juice;611691]What is ALPA going to do? Go to mgmt and ask for more money and mgmt will give it because they are good people?
The fact is that in 3 months people will be back to thinking that all pilots make 100K a year and forget what a regional airline is.[/quote]]
Not necessarily, if we all continue to bring this up to the ALPA reps, continue to write to our congressmen and continue to keep this in the spotlight, we will be able to make a change! we can't all just say "ah it's not worth it" and give up. We have to fight for it and work hard on getting what we want AND deserve! I spent over $200,000 on my aviation career because this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. I've wanted to fly since I was 5 years old and nothing has stopped me from getting to this point. Well I am not going to let getting paid only $20,000 a year stop me either. I am going to do something about it! I am going to write the congressman who is the head of the aviation board and give him ideas that he can bring up to congress. And I for one am optimistic that if enough of us try hard enough, we can make a huge difference and finally get paid for the education we receive and for what we do for the general public....KEEP THEM SAFE WHILE THEY FLY UNDER OUR HANDS!!! I LOVE to fly and I am going to do all that I can to get paid for doing what I love to do. Now lets all stop fighting against each other and join together and make a difference!!!!!!
The fact is that in 3 months people will be back to thinking that all pilots make 100K a year and forget what a regional airline is.[/quote]]
Not necessarily, if we all continue to bring this up to the ALPA reps, continue to write to our congressmen and continue to keep this in the spotlight, we will be able to make a change! we can't all just say "ah it's not worth it" and give up. We have to fight for it and work hard on getting what we want AND deserve! I spent over $200,000 on my aviation career because this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. I've wanted to fly since I was 5 years old and nothing has stopped me from getting to this point. Well I am not going to let getting paid only $20,000 a year stop me either. I am going to do something about it! I am going to write the congressman who is the head of the aviation board and give him ideas that he can bring up to congress. And I for one am optimistic that if enough of us try hard enough, we can make a huge difference and finally get paid for the education we receive and for what we do for the general public....KEEP THEM SAFE WHILE THEY FLY UNDER OUR HANDS!!! I LOVE to fly and I am going to do all that I can to get paid for doing what I love to do. Now lets all stop fighting against each other and join together and make a difference!!!!!!
05-16-2009, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYING HIGH
I was just thinking that it is the perfect time for ALPA to steep up and do something about Pilot pay at the regionals, Scheduling and QOL.
Do you think the 3407 pilot's reaction to the shaker and then the pusher would have been different if he had 16 days off a month and earned 100k annually?
05-16-2009, 05:49 AM
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The reaction would have been different because the reaction would never have happened. If the position was as described there would be tons of great pilots fighting for the job and anyone with three failed checkrides would be almost categorically disqualified by increased hiring standards. I tried to make this point on another thread and was apparently misunderstood. Good pay does not make the pilot better. Good pay allows airlines to pick out the best pilots rather than lowering the standard every time they start to run short.
05-16-2009, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
The reaction would have been different because the reaction would never have happened. If the position was as described there would be tons of great pilots fighting for the job and anyone with three failed checkrides would be almost categorically disqualified by increased hiring standards. I tried to make this point on another thread and was apparently misunderstood. Good pay does not make the pilot better. Good pay allows airlines to pick out the best pilots rather than lowering the standard every time they start to run short.
"Why were those people flying the plane?" with the only answer being, "Because the FAA told us we could hire them and take any personal ramifications out of the equation."
We HAVE to get hard numbers and qualifications for new employees in this industry.
If a company says it can't stay in business with those numbers then they add nothing pertinent to the industry anyway and should be shut down.
05-16-2009, 07:39 AM
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ALPA IS doing something !
Why, there collecting lots of dues and living well............what else do you expect ?
The top ALPA dogs commute to their paid apartments (nice !) and 5-figure expense accounts which is a nice suppliment to $ 300,000 a year plus salary, while starving young airline pilots do the same but sleep on couches for $ 18,000 a year.
Even the most junior secretary in Herndon pulls down 2-3 times what Shaw made and doesn't have to commute.
Now keep sending those dues checks in or ALPA will see to it your FIRED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, there collecting lots of dues and living well............what else do you expect ?
The top ALPA dogs commute to their paid apartments (nice !) and 5-figure expense accounts which is a nice suppliment to $ 300,000 a year plus salary, while starving young airline pilots do the same but sleep on couches for $ 18,000 a year.
Even the most junior secretary in Herndon pulls down 2-3 times what Shaw made and doesn't have to commute.
Now keep sending those dues checks in or ALPA will see to it your FIRED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05-16-2009, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
ALPA IS doing something !
Why, there collecting lots of dues and living well............what else do you expect ?
The top ALPA dogs commute to their paid apartments (nice !) and 5-figure expense accounts which is a nice suppliment to $ 300,000 a year plus salary, while starving young airline pilots do the same but sleep on couches for $ 18,000 a year.
Even the most junior secretary in Herndon pulls down 2-3 times what Shaw made and doesn't have to commute.
Now keep sending those dues checks in or ALPA will see to it your FIRED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, there collecting lots of dues and living well............what else do you expect ?
The top ALPA dogs commute to their paid apartments (nice !) and 5-figure expense accounts which is a nice suppliment to $ 300,000 a year plus salary, while starving young airline pilots do the same but sleep on couches for $ 18,000 a year.
Even the most junior secretary in Herndon pulls down 2-3 times what Shaw made and doesn't have to commute.
Now keep sending those dues checks in or ALPA will see to it your FIRED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you actually knew the inner workings you would have a totally different viewpoint. Talking with National guys on weekends, days off, even on vacation changes the viewpoint. It's not an 18 day off weekend off job.
05-16-2009, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rjboy
The reaction would have been different because the reaction would never have happened. If the position was as described there would be tons of great pilots fighting for the job and anyone with three failed checkrides would be almost categorically disqualified by increased hiring standards. I tried to make this point on another thread and was apparently misunderstood. Good pay does not make the pilot better. Good pay allows airlines to pick out the best pilots rather than lowering the standard every time they start to run short.
Just to use as examples, I wonder if Captain van Zanten ever failed a check ride, or the AA Capatain at LIT?
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