Hudson Crash FO's Letter to USA Today
05-21-2009, 09:11 PM
#101
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: EMB145
Posts: 8
Yeah; until you're reduced rest overnite at GOJETS causes you to suddenly forget to set the flaps, or some other FU! Good Luck bro.... you are truely going to need it in the future... I however, will shed no tears for you.
05-21-2009, 10:02 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: /A
Posts: 34
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I learned a lot about being a teacher and salesmen however I don't think it helped me at all to fly a transport category plane.
Skyhigh
Skyhigh
You're right, there is a differnce between C-150's and RJ's, however flying is flying. You need to know the basics in both planes, and by teaching you really get to know it.
05-22-2009, 12:38 AM
#103
Day puke
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
Instruction is the closest many of us will get to upset recovery training (students DO try to kill you, though they dont intend to).
Hauling checks, or boxes or what have you, BY YOURSELF done long enough DOES teach you when to say when. (Your either learn or kill yourself).
Flying a Banderante, Brazillia, 1900, or Jetstream AS AN FO will teach you how an airline functions.
Being a Banderante, Brazillia, 1900, or Jetstream CA will teach you leadership.
THEN flying as an FO in a narrow body under a CA with twice your hours WILL teach you how to be an AIRLINE CA.
Oh, and by the way, all that time you have spent LEARNING how the real world works, will give you the b@lls to stand up to management when they try to force you into an unsafe flight. You will learn NO JOB IS WORTH ENDANGERING YOURSELF, YOUR PASSENGERS, OR THOSE ON THE GROUND!
Hauling checks, or boxes or what have you, BY YOURSELF done long enough DOES teach you when to say when. (Your either learn or kill yourself).
Flying a Banderante, Brazillia, 1900, or Jetstream AS AN FO will teach you how an airline functions.
Being a Banderante, Brazillia, 1900, or Jetstream CA will teach you leadership.
THEN flying as an FO in a narrow body under a CA with twice your hours WILL teach you how to be an AIRLINE CA.
Oh, and by the way, all that time you have spent LEARNING how the real world works, will give you the b@lls to stand up to management when they try to force you into an unsafe flight. You will learn NO JOB IS WORTH ENDANGERING YOURSELF, YOUR PASSENGERS, OR THOSE ON THE GROUND!
05-22-2009, 03:41 AM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by For my son
This so called "pilot" is the reason why we cannot agree completely in our resolve to fight lower and lower wages and quality of life issues with our employers. This so called "pilot" was probably raised in a conservative household (which I have absolutely no problem with). This so called "pilot" probably was in the military which is a government concern; and was probably taken care of in every way(healthcare, retirement, and social security), until he met the real reality which most of us face, here at the regional pilot level in our national airline transportations system. This "pilot" probably has a retirement; already in place and is not concerned with that particular issue. This "pilot" is probably very confident that he has enough old squadron friends, that he will surely be the next one hired at SW which means he should "probably have" even more retirement benefits. This "pilot" probably has a spouse who , probably has a decent job, which contributes considerably to his overall wellbeing. This "Pilot" probably has not a clue as to what sort of industry he has entered into and probably has not a care as to how he will be compensated in it. He has his own beliefs about how the business world operates and they are reenforced by his experience in the "protectected" military realm. I believe this belief system is not comprehensive in its scope and is biased. I also believe that this "pilot's" statements are invalid because of that experience and I hereby refuse to listen to his Ilk. In the event that I am mistaken in any of my assumptions about this "pilot", I still maintain that he is only taking himself and the rest of us with him in his resolve to maintain his current position. There IS a DIFFERENCE between being a "sharp" management and simply being willing to be absolutely, unemotional, tyrants towards your employees! That IS my bottom line; I will rigourously defend it and I appreciate anyone who will argue it with me! Bring it on!
You seem to have a problem with military pilots.
I promise you that if he has all those retirement benefits that you mention in your rant then he has spent 20 years in the military and deserves everything that he gets and has defintiely "done his time" even compared to your regional world. If he hasn't retired from the military then he doesn't have all those retirement benefits you mnetion ut still has many of the other good things in his hand - like metworking. No different than someone coming up through a pilot training factory and the regionals who has made contacts along the way.
I'm sorry - but your post comes off at a rant at the military and makes you sound jealous.
USMCFLYR
05-22-2009, 04:49 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Originally Posted by For my son
This so called "pilot" is the reason why we cannot agree completely in our resolve to fight lower and lower wages and quality of life issues with our employers. This so called "pilot" was probably raised in a conservative household (which I have absolutely no problem with). This so called "pilot" probably was in the military which is a government concern; and was probably taken care of in every way(healthcare, retirement, and social security), until he met the real reality which most of us face, here at the regional pilot level in our national airline transportations system. This "pilot" probably has a retirement; already in place and is not concerned with that particular issue. This "pilot" is probably very confident that he has enough old squadron friends, that he will surely be the next one hired at SW which means he should "probably have" even more retirement benefits. This "pilot" probably has a spouse who , probably has a decent job, which contributes considerably to his overall wellbeing. This "Pilot" probably has not a clue as to what sort of industry he has entered into and probably has not a care as to how he will be compensated in it. He has his own beliefs about how the business world operates and they are reenforced by his experience in the "protectected" military realm. I believe this belief system is not comprehensive in its scope and is biased. I also believe that this "pilot's" statements are invalid because of that experience and I hereby refuse to listen to his Ilk. In the event that I am mistaken in any of my assumptions about this "pilot", I still maintain that he is only taking himself and the rest of us with him in his resolve to maintain his current position. There IS a DIFFERENCE between being a "sharp" management and simply being willing to be absolutely, unemotional, tyrants towards your employees! That IS my bottom line; I will rigourously defend it and I appreciate anyone who will argue it with me! Bring it on!
05-23-2009, 06:40 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by NoBeta
No offense but do you have any clue what it costs to rent a single or multi nowadays??? Try 250 to 350 per hour for a multi with an instructor. 
I left the USA to instruct elsewhere so that I could make good money... but what about the rest of the flight schools in the USA? Any instructor bound for the airlines will easily take a regional f/o job at 18/hr over CFI'ing at 12/hr. That's a joke. $12/hr for a CFI when the student pays a minimum of 4 times that amount for the instructor. Ridiculous.
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