Even if they pay RAH pilots more...?
 

Even if they pay RAH pilots more money to fly the 190, it is still not acceptable for anyone at a regional to be flying a jet that large.

If management at other airlines see they can undercut their mainline pilots with regional pilots and pay the regional pilots more money, and still save money compared to what they were paying their mainline pilots, RAH will not be the first if they get away with it. This is not acceptable at any pay rate. We will end up with regional contracts with regional work rules, flying for slightly more money. Its not worth it people!!! WAKE UP!!!! :mad:

That's just what the flying public wants theses days. Large aircraft being operated by regionals.:rolleyes:

The E190 is not a trainer!


JJ

We are awake. What can we do about it? Since you seem to have all the answers.

yes Akro... give us a reasonable answer...not some pie in the sky... "just dont fly those 190's bs".....

Well.....a few years ago JO wanted Mesa to fly 737's. A proposal was drafted by the union (industry avg wages). Then came the wage proposal from management. Guess what the union said no based on managements proposal. Mesa does not fly 73's today.

It's ok for Republic to operate these only if they pay major wages and bring Midwest guys on property that wish it. I don't see either happening anytime soon, so it's a major bummer.

Pay is only one topic. You have forgotten QOL, work rules, scope etc.... Many of those in which RAH comes no where close to a DAL/SWA/CAL.... Thus PAYRATES mean nothing without the rest of the story.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Should RAH pay mainline wages, ie match JBLU, there's absolutely no reason these aircraft can't stay where they are. Southwest got started the same way. The company could fly 757s all over the country if they want they had just better pay for it. I'm talking matched pay with those who have the aircraft, B plans, etc.

Did you even read the thread?? It clearly says EVEN if they get paid major wages, they are still flying regional contracts and with regional work rules. The rest of us dont need RAH bringing our industry down even more.

Have you lost your mind?! Is RAH doing self branding flying? Or are they simply replacing the job of perfectly capable pilots at Midwest that are now on the street!

You better rethink what you just said. Im going to hold you to saying that you think it is ok for Republic to outsource 757 flying to replace other major airlines. Unbelievable.

I didn't say anything about RAH outsourcing flying from anyone. Rethink what I just said? Perhaps you should reread it. All I said is that I don't care what aircraft are at RAH so long as they pay for it. You can hold me to that all you'd like. We're talking aircraft not airlines. Midwest is on the verge of going BK and probably won't be around very long. RAH can fly these in Hawaii till their eyes pop out for all I care or basically take over Midwest and keep them flying here so long as they make the pay.

On another note why would you be against RAH having them for Midwest if they pay more than say US Airways? Don't get me wrong I want them gone but I'm wondering what your rational is behind it.

Really? So do you want them gone or do you not care?

So, what is going to happen when RAH mgnt doesn't give you JBLU wages? According to the APC page, 1st year FO for JBLU gets $40/hr and 1st year FO for RAH gets $23/hr regardless of aircraft. Good luck getting the JBLU wages...

I want them gone from Midwest but don't care what aircraft we have so long as we are paid right. If they want to send them to Hawaii then that's perfectly fine by me but it they're going to go mainline then I want mainline wages.

Bingo, we have a winner. I whole heartedly agree. How do we stop it is the question.

It's absolutely unacceptable for a regional to fly these aircraft. BUT - I refuse to take the blame because the "major" airline pilot groups could not adequately protect their scope. Everyone forgets that RAH would still be flying turboprops in the Northeast if US, UAL, and DAL didn't relax scope on their contracts. First it was 50 seaters, then 70, then 76, and at US Air it's 86 seats!

What is RAH management supposed to do? Not take advantage of this fact so someone else can? You think SKW, GJ, Mesa, Pinnacle, etc. etc. wouldn't jump at the chance to up the revenues and secure more flying with bigger airplanes? HA! They're not in it to play nice...they're in it to make as much money as they can.

And what is an RAH pilot supposed to do?? Walk off the job because management is angering the rest of the industry?? The best we can do is tighten up the contract, go for more pay, better work rules, etc. etc. We're 1.5 years into that now and if the ASA contract is any indication...it's still another 2.5 years away. Everyone acts like because we got 190's we can just automatically strike with absolutely no repercussions.

But it all comes back to scope. ALPA gave away everyones jobs back in the 90's when it started relaxing scope for RJ's. It has only gotten much much worse. You want to put a stop to the bleeding? Get stronger scope language. Period. RAH took major concessions on pay and work rules to put an iron clad scope clause in our contract. But calling me a scab because I should up to work one day and we had -190's on property is a friggin' joke.

Strike :mad:

I agree with you. And it's going to be very doubtful for them to get any kind of mainline pay for these jets. Then we'll see if Republic pilots have any backbone. There is no pie in the sky, just say no though the union you guys can stop this. Apparently even Mesa pilots stopped mainline airplanes.

TD,

While I agree getting better rates then JB would make this an easier pill to swallow, pay is not the only issue. Most guys who work at the regional level don't understand the huge increase in QOL that comes with moving on to a Legacy. There are many other things that need to be addressed. Also, I think B.B. is hoping to use these at Midwest until it goes under, and then shift them to Hawaii for an independent operation.

Who do you fly for?