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rickair7777 05-24-2009 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by effsharp (Post 616484)
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?

No, but if they don't like the ones they have, they can always dump them and create new ones...

- Used RJ's cheap from the desert.

- Multi-DUI street captains and 300-hour FO's who are willing to work for peanuts and are afraid to stand up to abuse.

- Everybody on year one longevity.

- Company-defined payscale, workrules, and employee policies.

- No union to start with.

What's not to love? ;)

Wheels up 05-24-2009 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by effsharp (Post 616484)
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?

Sure they could. The mainline pilots do ALL the flying for the airline. The reason that mainline companies outsource it to low-pay pilots is, well, because they're CHEAPER. And not just the pilots . . all employee groups at the commuter.

Commuter pilots complain about their compensation and the fact that there's no road anymore to a decent aviation career.

If you show up for work, that's what you're worth.

freezingflyboy 05-24-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by effsharp (Post 616484)
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?

Southwest seems to do OK.

Fishfreighter 05-24-2009 01:25 PM

Google up Flyi.

8LatRB 05-24-2009 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 616495)
Sure they could. The mainline pilots do ALL the flying for the airline.

They don't want it. They have outsourced the regional flying to the RJ operators and Southwest.

Justdoinmyjob 05-24-2009 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by 8LatRB (Post 616520)
They don't want it. They have outsourced the regional flying to the RJ operators and Southwest.


The pilots who gave it up didn't want it. The problem is, they have all retired, and forgot to ask the current pilots what we wanted, which was NOT how it is now.

effsharp 05-24-2009 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 616511)
Southwest seems to do OK.

Very good point. Important to note here that Southwest does not depend on the hub-and-spoke business model. The relationship between most of the majors and regionals is one of co-dependency.

HercDriver130 05-24-2009 05:12 PM

Can mainline survive with out the regionals....yes...and no...

YES .... if they either create more regionals ... or if they fly it all in house...

NO... they can not survive with out the feed from the cities now served by their regional partners in some form or fashion.

SWA does not use a traditional hub and spoke... but they do have hubs... and more and more of their flying is hub style flying.

jonnyjetprop 05-25-2009 03:28 AM

No they can't. It's all about cost. The seat mile costs are too high for an all regional fleet. That before we talk about start up costs with call centers, computer reservation systems and other expenses to get going.




Originally Posted by n287hg (Post 616354)
If ASA or Comair just decided to not fly for Delta anymore or say Delta did not want them to fly flights for them, would the regional carrier be able to survive as a stand alone carrier. I know way back when regional airlines were literally regional. Would that same concept work today?


jonnyjetprop 05-25-2009 03:29 AM

Delta continues to give up scope.


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 616561)
The pilots who gave it up didn't want it. The problem is, they have all retired, and forgot to ask the current pilots what we wanted, which was NOT how it is now.



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