RAH 190's Base and Pay Memo
 

Date: June 1, 2009
To: All RAH Flight Crews
From:
Re: New MKE EMB 190 Base

Republic Airways announces a new EMB 190 crew base will open August 1, 2009 in MKE. It is anticipated that this base will fly Midwest trips only and initially will be 1 and 2 day trips.

The effective date of this bid is September 1, 2009 but we expect to open MKE August 1, 2009 when our first EMB 190 goes into service. We anticipate beginning training for the positions in July.

Please keep in mind that the EMB 190 aircraft may require initial, bridge or other training as required. The initial aircraft will be delivered in a 94 seat configuration and therefore Captains will be paid based on the Captain 79-99 seat rate.

Please do not bid this position if you are unable or unwilling to accept an award!

MKE EMB 190 Republic Airline

The company is posting 10 Captain and 10 First Officer EMB 190 positions. Bids will be accepted until 1700 hours on the closing date. If interested, please update your vacancy bid in Flica. To correctly bid and to be considered for this position, please bid for MKE 190 CA or FO in Flica under Vacancy.


Vacancies will be awarded in order of seniority using standing bids on file as of the date bidding is closed. Vacancies caused by filling this primary award will be awarded using the standing bids on file as of the date bidding is closed. Not all vacancies created by this bid award may be filled.

Please use Flica to bid. Pilot Bid closes 1700 hours on June 8, 2009.




Date: 6/1/2009

Tisk tisk so eager to always be the first you never really contemplate the consequences.

First 3 rows 1x1 and the rest are "Forged" Signature Seating?

Look, I understand the excitement, but is it really necessary to post your company info for the masses to see? (A) Not fair to YX pilots (kinda like jabbing them in the teeth. (B) I'm sure most of your RAH comrades can't be happy about it. You must want and encourage the backlash coming down in 3...2...

He's furloughed, so I don't know how he's getting these memos. I don't think he's a fan of RAH or YX

I don't think this is meant to brag about the flying, more informational, I am not sure if he even flies for them?

Well, there goes the argument of being forced to fly mixed trips on Midwest planes... There's actually going to be a bid for it. Enjoy your 99 seat pay...

Well now that we know the seat size, here are JetBlue and Republic rates, side by side. Some people have said Republic's captain pay is higher, but I don't see that anywhere, and since JetBlue doesn't have rates after year 12, I don't think it is realistic to count those. We all know how pitiful the FO rates are.

1st Year Jet Blue CA = $88/hr
1st Year RAH CA___ = $64/hr
1st Year Jet Blue FO = $40/hr
1st Year RAH FO___ = $23/hr
1st Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $128/hr
1st Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $87/hr

4th Year Jet Blue CA = $94/hr
4th Year RAH CA___ = $75/hr
4th Year Jet Blue FO = $58/hr
4th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **This is the maximum pay for RAH FO's!
4th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $152/hr
4th Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $112/hr

Let me even go farther for you
12th Year Jet Blue CA = $110/hr
12th Year RAH CA___ = $96/hr
12th Year Jet Blue FO = $70/hr
12th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **still only $37/hr!
12th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $180/hr
12th Year RAH Total Cockpit_____ = $133/hr

Or, an involuntary displacement to the base if not enough people bid it.

The F/O pay needs to come up at least $15/hr and CA's sadly are just under JetBlue, they both need to come up $$$$$$$$$, also JetBlue guys get paid %150 over 82hrs correct? Straight pay rates barely scratch the surface when it comes to W-2's, work rules etc play a huge role on income

Isn't this flying for Midwest to replace the flying that was done by guys that are now on the street?

I'm pretty sure the memo answered all the questions about what RAH management will do about the E190 pay.

Yes it is. On mainline airplanes.

Disgusting. Y'all need to get your act together as Pilots and not bid a SINGLE pilot in MKE. Show management you've got some collective nuts.

They'll happily bid, not one backfill. They're all scabs in my eyes.

So much for "we're in negotiations for payrates". D'oh.

The scary thing is the precedent this sets for MANAGEMENT everywhere, soon airlines will be nothing more than a name with multiple "staffing"companies providing pilots that will fly any size airplane for any pay. What happened to the Juan Tripps of the world?............having pride in a product, so sad. This country is falling apart and corporate America is leading the way. I am not saying RAH pilots can't provide a safe flight, but MIDWEST airlines, (like every other airline) should employ MIDWEST employees, makes for better morale, which = happier employee which = Better product etc.

so frustrating, CAL put bids out on XJT stations for ground support, so they wanted to save a buck, we got American Eagle, the competition...............how hard do you think they work to get us out on a 20 minute turn if they have one of their own 20 ft away, unreal.............


sorry for the psychobabble

At 8 bucks an hour, about as hard as they work to get their own flight out on time.... not very.

Remember it's only a scab if they cross a picket line or fly struck work. Feel free to strike anytime.

They can't, but I assume they love seeing their 717 flying done by FO's that can't make more than $37/hr.

That's a pretty messed up thing to say, especially since the Midwest guys on the street are powerless with families and kids. Shows how much you know or care to know. Don't worry major and regional pilots will use their imagination to label what RAH will be doing.

The saddest commentary in this thread is that an RAH pilot would intentionally put his own brothers and sisters in harms way and put this memo out for "scab fodder". The injustices and cannibalism of this industry will continue until every regional pilot commands the historic respect of being an aviator. Posting such things are only meant to antagonize the bottom feeders of the industry and worst yet pour salt in the wounds of every Midwest pilot.

The next saddest commentary goes to the flame chasers which make their "scab comments" before a single 190 or assigned pilot has shown up. This base is going to happen with or without someone bidding for it. Do you really think RAH Management cares if they move the bottom guys on the seniority list or the top 10 FO's or Captains to MKE. The name callers are leading the spiral to the bottom. They are far worse than even a true scab (which the RAH guys are not). A scab only ruins jobs for a few, but these bottom feeders are contributing to the demise of generations of pilots to come.

The challenge for our collective futures is to support the hundreds of RAH pilots who stand tall and do not bid for MKE. Nearly the entire RAH pilot group vehemently opposes the introduction of the 190's and particularly at Midwest. For those that do bid for MKE, they know the ridicule they will face from their own pilot group, much less "Can you imagine riding the employee shuttle in an RAH uniform in Milwaukee after the 190's arrive?" if you actually bid for one of these slots.

Just once it would be great to see the patrons of this site come together to support ANY pilot group who is being forced into an untenable situation which contributes to the detriment of the industry because of their management. This is one of those opportunities.

However, more than that -- I would love to see the RAH mole posting internal memos be identified and admonished by the RAH pilot group (and everyone on this site). This future of this profession depends on such pond scum being relegated to fly for Grand China Express as their is no room in this country for them.

Grow up guys and gals -- come together and support the VAST majority of RAH pilots who will stand tall and not bid.

No not really. It was a point that if he's powerless to do anything how can he expect something from us? When the opportunity arises for us to get better pay or alter the conditions we will. Till then I see no reason why we should be expected to walk off the job and get fired over this when no action, besides complaining here endlessly, is the only one taken on his part. People have the option to be supportive and help work towards a solution or they can be petty. No amount of name calling or derogatory statements made to another pilot group for their management's decisions is going to help fix anything. With so many insults from him it's hard to find remorse.

I feel for those pilots at Midwest I really do. It's a crying shame what's become of their airline and even more so of what effects it must have on their families and lives. I wish them the best and hope that when hiring resumes they'll be picked up by other major carriers. However as far as 320ToBearz goes with his non-stop insults, name calling, and general immaturity of his posts if he's on the street he can stay there. People keep debating what the meaning of professionalism is and it should include common courtesy to fellow aviators. Having ill feelings for someone can still be expressed in a mature manner. During the past year of debates for the presidency(one of the most heated ever) did you see any of them saying "you suck" to one another? Regardless of whatever circumstances are responsible I'm almost glad that someone of that caliber is not involved in my profession. The average professionalism just bumped up a little. The fact that he's from Midwest plays absolutely no role in my opinion either, "matter of factly" I feel he sours their stellar reputation. He could be a 135 freight guy in a caravan but one way or another if he's out I hope he stays there.

Typical all talk and no action by ToiletDuck.

I almost hate to bring this up but I see a future where the legacies only own and fly international and all the domestic flying is handled by regional carriers under their "parent" airline banner. I think in the future we will see more of what happened to Midwest.

Pretty bleak if you ask me.

The CHQ 2003 contract went into effect October 1st, 2003.

This was the same day the ARW 2003 concessionary contract went into effect (I believe ARW was ratified by membership shortly before the CHQ contract), and shortly after the MAG 2003 hunk-o-crap went into effect.

For the 79-99 seat airframe, the RAH captain rates are above the concessionary ARW B146 rates in year 3 longevity and beyond. I think given the climate of regional airline pilot negotiations in 2003, they did the very best they could do (and edging out the concessionary ARW rates for comparable-sized airplanes was pretty good during that time IMO).

Of course, the single FO rate regardless of airframe size leaves much to be desired and lags ARW FO rates on the CL65 and B146 by a fair margin.

Nobody said jack about ARW flying the 88-100 seat B146 for "peanuts" from 2003 to when the airplanes went away Easter 2006...but now the chorus rises when oft-hated Republic gets similar sized airplanes.

I'm not saying the pay for these kinds of airplanes shouldn't be higher, but geez people...get some perspective.

"Informational" or not, posting this "sensitive" info is both insensitive and in some cases illegal. You don't see internal memos from DAL or AA on this site (bar the occasional UNION info). If it were my organization, I would have a problem with this but what do I know. If he is a furlough, makes matters even worse. No matter your stance on this issue, none can agree that company transcripts should be made public. If he is still on your seniority list, I would pull him aside and tell him to tread lightly. Many a pilot have been caught up in the legal web in the past. Remember, your're a single individual going up against what seems like a 500lb gorilla known as RAH management and from what it looks like, has extremely big pockets. Continue...

Someone who actually has a brain and knows how to use it instead of just saying "They're all scabs in my book." I completely understand that your post is not your stamp of approval on the 190 situation, but it still is appreciated to read a post from someone who actually thinks before they type.

A Scab would imply that a wound is healing, or at least trying to heal.

Flying routes that were served by guys that are now furloughed isn't any better in my eyes. We might as well just call that a "Black Head" pimple.

I really feel for you guys and girls over there. You own Union rapes you and now you are left without representation. Your management has probably already had their party down in the tropics. Stick together! ALPA is advising people not to fly for GOJET. I think everyone industry wide is advising you not to accept this flying. I know the thought of refusing it seems dark, but this point in time is going to define who you guys are as a pilot group and how you are going to be seen for the rest of your career.

Good Luck! I hope it all works out.

Actually, I believe it's 150% for anything over 70 hours, not 82. This further amplifies your point. :(

What stations did they outsource to Eagle? hahe, usually it the other way around. They have been really screwing the AA ramp and gate. They have been laying those people off to have Eagle come in and do the job for less.

I don't know the specifics but I know XJT is taking some back, what a mess. I guess now they can hire back those same people for much less, I don't know very sad and low if you ask me

Hahahah - you obviously don't know the meaning. Call them something else p*icks, as*holes anything else, but why do people insist on calling the SCABS? If you don't know the context the word is used in then don't use it. Please.

Time will tell if all the Republic pilots truly are against this as they have said. Let's hope for the sake of the industry that the 10 most junior crews have to be displaced to MKE.

Agree with you partially. However, ARW'S work rules blow RAH's out of the water, and offer MUCH more equity to its pilot group. Rigs, cancellation pay, and the lack of a PBS system allows ARW pilots to make much more than the standard "multiply your hourly wage by 1,000" formula. Being able to trip-touch 7 days of primary vacation into 18 consecutive days off and pick up several four-days for 150% pay is certainly better than anything PBS can offer. Even ARW crews deserve more, too!

I'm aware of all that...I used to work there!

There's no denying that ARW's work rules under the concessionary agreement are superior to those in the CHQ 2003 agreement.

There's also no denying (although many ignore or are ignorant to the fact) that Chautauqua pilots had to sacrifice A LOT of negotiating capital in 2003 in order to achieve scope securing one seniority list to kill the threat of non-union Republic Airlines being formed and taking their US Airways E145 flying.

The negotiating capital spent to secure one list could have, under other less job-threatening circumstances, been used to buy better work rules like rigs, CNX pay, etc. Given everything that has transpired between TSA and GoJet, I'd say it was capital well spent.

Hey B1900 while your at it please post the RAH seniority list here as well. Thats something I'd like to have in my flight bag. :D

oh good grief YX.:rolleyes::confused:

BTW, I'm not stupid to post any company material. Sorry if I upseted anyone with my "gag" thread. Just trying to lighten the mood. A lot of people are on pins and needles. Again, sorry!

I hope and pray that we get the pay up for the 190s. Both for the captains and for the first officers. I haven't met 1 pilot who is happy with the current pay rates so lets get this new contract out and raise the bar!!!

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i wanna vomit from this whole thing

You're right, what they are doing is worse. A scab crosses a picket line with the usual gluttony of "hey someone else is going to do it" (hey that's been said in this thread) or "i need to help my family", blah blah blah. What is different between that and what RAH is doing?

Your technicality is duly noted, however YOU ARE STEALING A JOB FROM SOMEONE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ARE CHEAPER. You are no different than New York Air, Freedom, Gojet, etc. Follow the lead of the United 400 (or whatever number there was) and say no. You are screwing your own future, but are too blinded by the shiny 190 to see it.

This thread is going nowhere fast... What, are you guys trying to set a record for the most RAH threads opened and closed in a month?