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needajetjob88 06-04-2009 04:56 PM

why the raise?
 
Does anyone know why the few regionals that are hiring have raised their mins. in the past 10 days. I had herd that the faa had stepped in b/c of the colgan 3407 flight that had crashed in february in buffalo. I kind of believe this but at the same time i wasn't sure......

ExperimentalAB 06-04-2009 04:59 PM

Many reasons, perhaps even 3407 in some very small way (to appease the public?) made the previous "mininums" unrealistic (most of us would argue they always had been). But at it's core, there are far too many pilots on the street for competitive minimums to not shoot through the roof. We're a dime-a-dozen now ;)

EDIT: If you're a reporter...you 'oughta know better!

Tinpusher007 06-04-2009 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by needajetjob88 (Post 622985)
Does anyone know why the few regionals that are hiring have raised their mins. in the past 10 days. I had herd that the faa had stepped in b/c of the colgan 3407 flight that had crashed in february in buffalo. I kind of believe this but at the same time i wasn't sure......

It's news to me that anyone is hiring in the first place. But to answer your question, yes it probably has alot to do with the crash. The other is that thing known as supply vs. demand. The point I alluded to in my first sentence means that if so few carriers are actively hiring then, those that are can be more choosy and, thus raise minimum requirements.

Killer51883 06-04-2009 05:10 PM

who's still hiring?

needajetjob88 06-04-2009 05:11 PM

Thats what i probably figured supply vs. demand and supply is winning so they can be more choosey, it's just frustrating cuz i had met the other mins. and they went up 300%, thanks for the imput.

Tinpusher007 06-04-2009 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by needajetjob88 (Post 623003)
Thats what i probably figured supply vs. demand and supply is winning so they can be more choosey, it's just frustrating cuz i had met the other mins. and they went up 300%, thanks for the imput.

Im sure you don't want to hear it but, FWIW this is probably one of those times where you are better off without the job for the time being. Things are changing...capacity reductions, etc. Get more time while you can during the downtimes and you'll be off to the races when the pendulum swings back in the other direction...and it will.

FlyJSH 06-04-2009 05:25 PM

Why not raise the minimums? With so many high time folks on the street, why bother with less experienced applicants.

Bond 06-04-2009 05:28 PM

News flash fellows, after the congressional hearings coming up in the next couple of weeks, I guarantee you that certification, qualification, and overall hiring practices will be brought forward to the table. When it's all set and done, I hope and anticipate nothing less than ATP as the mins. Let's see what happens.

Tinpusher007 06-04-2009 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bond (Post 623017)
News flash fellows, after the congressional hearings coming up in the next couple of weeks, I guarantee you that certification, qualification, and overall hiring practices will be brought forward to the table. When it's all set and done, I hope and anticipate nothing less than ATP as the mins. Let's see what happens.

You're probably correct. And I will submit that what we can also be sure NOT to see is a corresponding increase in starting pay.:mad:

Bond 06-04-2009 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 623019)
You're probably correct. And I will submit that what we can also be sure NOT to see is a corresponding increase in starting pay.:mad:

Well I woudn't be too sure about that. Two possible scenarios would be:

Less supply drives demand up (in a few years of course) thus forcing carriers to raise the bar to attract the "talent".

or

Congress grows a pair and puts two and two together with regards to the responsibility that we carry on shoulders in relation to our base pay and puts pressure on the carriers "in the interest of safety". This one would be a bit more tricky and would require a bit more lobbying and public support (you hear that ALPA?).

We shall see.


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