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ExperimentalAB 06-10-2009 08:01 AM

This reminds me of a guy I flew with...On a turbulent 5 mile final into ORD, he called out (very commandingly-like) "YOU ARE TWO KNOTS SLOW."

What do you say to that ridiculousness? Just to add to the fun, our speeds at that time were Vref+5. Two days after this, our speeds were changed to subtract the extra five knots. That would have left me 3 knots fast.

Point is, don't be a fool and argue over an occasional one or two knot gain/loss...none of us are that good.

Convairator 06-10-2009 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 625928)
While it's still too early to know, I wonder if the Air France guys had the same attitude flying in the ITCZ in turbulence? I doubt it, but gee, guess it would have been OK, huh?

Nice to know that you seem to think it's OK to do it. I'm guessing that if you hit turbulence at the same time, you would make your own determination about whether or not to write it up?

Thanks. Remind me to not fly your bird after you. Or let you fly mine. I love surprises too, but not the ones that can bite me or others in the ass unwittingly.

And we wonder why the media rags on us.........

Hi, my name is joke. I guess since I am using APC below 10,000, then this forum is sterile, just the facts, and humor is a violation. I apologize for personally offending you with obvious sarcasm. You sound like you would be really great to fly with Mr. Belding. And since you said 'remind me', I will remind you.

Do not fly a bird after me. Do not let me fly your bird (ok? lol). And dont forget, You love surprises!

1900luxuryliner 06-10-2009 11:14 AM

I have never seen or heard of a pilot who would deliberately overspeed an airplane. I don't think that is what Convairator was suggesting, whatsoever. Just a light hearted joke. The joke about the beers must be an industry thing, because that is what my captains told me, back when I was a green FO, as I would trend towards an overspeed, but not exceed Vmo. That is what I now tell my green FOs, as well, as their airspeed blasts towards the pole, before the overspeed: "If you hit the pole, you owe me a beer." I think the joke just lost some of it's funniness; for me, anyways...Thanks there ATCsaid....

577nitro 06-10-2009 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Convairator (Post 625881)
Agree, I dont see how overspeeding an airplane briefly is a big deal whatsoever. If an FO sets off the overspeed clacker, it just means he has to buy the captain a beer. If the captain sets off the overspeed clacker, it just means the FO has to buy him a beer. Setting off the overspeed clacker appears to be a great deal!

Sweet deal indeed.

Dude do you really fly a 580?:confused:

gtechpilot 06-10-2009 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner (Post 626037)
I have never seen or heard of a pilot who would deliberately overspeed an airplane.

In many older Lears, you can find a button under the dash (hidden) that disables the overspeed horn. Seriously stupid to do that in a Lear, but operators did it anyway and at least some pilots used it.

SurferLucas 06-10-2009 02:40 PM

In the Q400, the Vmo speeds are as follows:

0 - 8000ft: 245 KIAS
10,000ft: 282 KIAS
18,000ft: 286 KIAS
20,000ft: 275 KIAS
25,000ft: 248 KIAS

Keep in mind that the Q400's high and low "Airspeed cues" were just barely certifiable by the FAA. It constantly is moving up and down, espically below 10,000ft.

USMCFLYR 06-10-2009 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 625937)
This reminds me of a guy I flew with...On a turbulent 5 mile final into ORD, he called out (very commandingly-like) "YOU ARE TWO KNOTS SLOW."

What do you say to that ridiculousness? Just to add to the fun, our speeds at that time were Vref+5. Two days after this, our speeds were changed to subtract the extra five knots. That would have left me 3 knots fast.

Point is, don't be a fool and argue over an occasional one or two knot gain/loss...none of us are that good.

Can you even read a knot or two on your instruments? My airspeed is displayed digitally and it fluctuates 1 or 2 kts (some times more!) even with auto throttles engaged, much less if I am ham fisting the throttles:)

USMCFLYR

SmoothOnTop 06-10-2009 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by nwa757 (Post 625840)
Among the problems Monteleon reported was that the Colgan test pilot exceeded the permissible speed limit for the Dash 8 and had difficulty properly landing the plane.

Colgan has test pilots?

Or, was this a check airman on a proving run or acceptance flight?

I'm confused(It's easy to do):confused::confused::confused:

The Juice 06-10-2009 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 626142)
Colgan has test pilots?

Or, was this a check airman on a proving run or acceptance flight?

I'm confused(It's easy to do):confused::confused::confused:

Check airmen on a proving run.

Funny how Monteleon is the expert of the airplane he failed on. So according to Monteleon, overspeed=bad and landing at the wrong airport=ok

ExperimentalAB 06-10-2009 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 626138)
Can you even read a knot or two on your instruments? My airspeed is displayed digitally and it fluctuates 1 or 2 kts (some times more!) even with auto throttles engaged, much less if I am ham fisting the throttles:)

USMCFLYR

Yeah, we don't have digital readouts like the ERJ's/Q's. Our Airspeed tape is calibrated with 5-knot tickmarks...and when you are getting tossed around, I can't imagine any Pilot in his right mind would be such a dork over two knots LoL. Yeah this guy was (and still is) a piece of work!

And actually come to think of it, I've come to prefer the tickmarks we have over the digital readout I flew with at Trans States -- it makes for a cleaner presentation.


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