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TPROP4ever 06-17-2009 06:32 PM

1000hrs max for 121????
 
ok, some 121 carriers are allowed to operate at 1200hrs tt per year for 30 seat and below aircraft. I hear that friday the powers to be are recomending repealing this and all 121 ops limited to 1000 per year, regardless of seat size. Can anyone shed some light???

xtreme 06-17-2009 06:57 PM

Who flys anything close to a 1000 hours a year anyway? sounds like hell to me.

TPROP4ever 06-17-2009 06:58 PM

I agree most guys right now cant break credit unless they are really senior, its just something Im hearing through the grapvine, but since I dont have a lot of solid info, I thought maybe someone else would have it if it exists

rickB 06-17-2009 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 630623)
Who flys anything close to a 1000 hours a year anyway? sounds like hell to me.


lakers do ....

Noseeums 06-17-2009 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 630623)
Who flys anything close to a 1000 hours a year anyway? sounds like hell to me.

I flew 990 hours in 2008. It happens.

1900luxuryliner 06-17-2009 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by rickB (Post 630645)
lakers do ....

I've heard a few of the old Air Midwest 1900 drivers used to time out in mid to late November, and would get a little over a month off. This is timing out at 1200!:eek:

FlyingPirate 06-17-2009 10:04 PM

although I'm not a 121 pilot. I have logged almost 800hrs since jan.

aviatorhi 06-17-2009 11:31 PM

Let's see... last year I flew something like 1350 hours part 121. And in the last 12 consecutive months I've flown 1150 hours 121/135.

I really don't see what limiting you to 1000 hours a year is going to do, hours I flew in July don't affect my flying performance in August. I'm not sitting in the plane going "man, if I only hadn't flown so much last month I would be more alert right now".

69Triplemailers 06-17-2009 11:32 PM

That's nothing!
 
In Alaska most part 121 operators fly crews under two man 135 at 1400 hrs a year! (Part 121 reg, intra Alaska only). I flew 1355 hrs. in 07 and 1270 hrs. in 08. I was tired all the time but the money was nice. Its hard to cover a state this size with a 1000 hrs. per pilot. Is the government going to give my airline the money to train up the extra pilots we will need? I hope they think this over before they do it.

dojetdriver 06-17-2009 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 630722)
I really don't see what limiting you to 1000 hours a year is going to do, hours I flew in July don't affect my flying performance in August. I'm not sitting in the plane going "man, if I only hadn't flown so much last month I would be more alert right now".

True, I've had some weeks where I was right up against the "30/7" point but felt fine. Mainly due to long/restful layovers and high block but short duty days.

However, on average I'm wiped out by day 4, usually only flying 18-20 hours but with long duty days, excessive sit time, and short "rest" periods.

mesasurvivor 06-18-2009 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner (Post 630703)
I've heard a few of the old Air Midwest 1900 drivers used to time out in mid to late November, and would get a little over a month off. This is timing out at 1200!:eek:


Yep....I was one of them. Timed out at just a hair under 1200 each year for three straight years. Usually happened at the end of November. The Air Midwest Crew schedulers tried EVERYTHING to "change" the hour figures throughout the month of December since everyone was timing out. All the Junior Assignments that they rammed down my throat throughout the year came back to them as I sat in my living room each Christmas for 3 years straight. The bright side to all this crazy flying was that by the 4'th year, I had all the Turbine PIC I ever needed & made the jump to Southwest. Flew 970 hours last year at LUV with 14-16 days per month off and didn't even really pick up much. If I had not had a couple of sick calls, I would have timed out there as well. Go figure.

Rightseat Ballast 06-18-2009 02:09 AM

Well, I haven't heard that, but it would be a welcome change. I never understood the double standard based on the size of airplane you flew. We should all be equal under part 121. That said, if such a rule passes, then those former 1200 hr guys need to get their pay rate changed to reflect the loss of 200 credit hours a year. For an average Beech captain, that would be nearly $7000 of lost income. The one positive might be that a few more jobs are created in the short term.

Of course, the 1200 hour rule had no bearing on the Colgan accident. Way to miss the point again, Mr. FAA.

145Driver 06-18-2009 03:13 AM

Right about the pay increase to cancel out the 200 hours of lost credit, but wrong about the FAA missing the point. Do they have to wait until something happens before changing a rule? I thought we always griped that they were "reactive" instead of "proactive." By changing the rule that means the company can't fly these guys 100 hours a month every single month. Of course the pilots might argue it will decrease their schedule efficiency though. Dunno.

TPROP4ever 06-18-2009 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 630739)
Well, I haven't heard that, but it would be a welcome change. I never understood the double standard based on the size of airplane you flew. We should all be equal under part 121. That said, if such a rule passes, then those former 1200 hr guys need to get their pay rate changed to reflect the loss of 200 credit hours a year. For an average Beech captain, that would be nearly $7000 of lost income. The one positive might be that a few more jobs are created in the short term.

Of course, the 1200 hour rule had no bearing on the Colgan accident. Way to miss the point again, Mr. FAA.

Yes this would allow any operators of 1900's and EMB-120's that are in the 34/7/1200 block to recall some furloughs I think for new staffing, that would be a good thing I think.

freezingflyboy 06-18-2009 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner (Post 630703)
I've heard a few of the old Air Midwest 1900 drivers used to time out in mid to late November, and would get a little over a month off. This is timing out at 1200!:eek:

And doing 20-30 minutes legs!:eek: I would've gotten November and December off too under those conditions...cause I would've shot myself in the face sometime around October.

powrful1 06-18-2009 02:54 PM

Personally I think the yearly max should be raised to 1400!

1900luxuryliner 06-18-2009 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by powrful1 (Post 631279)
Personally I think the yearly max should be raised to 1400!

:eek::confused::eek:?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Lowlevel 06-18-2009 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingPirate (Post 630711)
although I'm not a 121 pilot. I have logged almost 800hrs since jan.

Yeah, but Part 121 you wouldn't be allowed to log 800 hrs since Jan.

I logged 914 in 2008.

ZAT4US 06-19-2009 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by powrful1 (Post 631279)
Personally I think the yearly max should be raised to 1400!

It is 1400 for certain 121 carriers in Alaska.

xtreme 06-19-2009 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 631117)
And doing 20-30 minutes legs!:eek: I would've gotten November and December off too under those conditions...cause I would've shot myself in the face sometime around October.

lol.

You guys are true warriors. I logged about 750 last year and I thought I worked too much.


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