DCA says everyone is hiring
 

Kinda funny if you look at DCA's web site and the fact they can GUARANTEE you a job interview with a list of people that are hiring:

AirWisconsin*500TT/125ME
American Eagle Hiring suspended 350TT/100
MEASA 500TT/50ME
Colgan Hiring 1000/50ME
Comair Hiring 600TT/100ME
CommuteAir Hiring 500TT/75ME
DayJet *Hiring suspended1500TT or DCA=1000TT/100ME+bridge
ExpressJet Hiring suspended600TT/100ME
Horizon Hiring suspended750TT/50ME
Mesa Hiring500TT/100ME
Mesaba *Hiring suspended600TT/50ME
Pinnacle *Hiring1000TT/200ME "preferred"
PSA Hiring suspended1000TT/250ME
Republic Hiring suspended800TT/100ME. 500T/50ME for some schools
SkyWest* Hiring1000TT/100ME
Trans States Interviewing ONLY500TT/50ME

I didn't know there was that much work out there.. makes me want to go back and regraduate so I can get an interview somewhere or they can just lie to me again.

I truly hope places that spread these kinds of lies burn to the ground with the economy the way it is. Praying on naive youngsters with the dream of flight, getting them into massive debt that is near impossible to repay is horrid.

all those places are hiring. You interview for a ramper position :)

Good point, lol. Special consideration given to furloughed pilots to be rampers with those TTs.

Who is DCA?

Delta Connection Academy

Yes, it's "Delta Connection Academy". Don't tell me you went to "The Academy" when I ask you where you did your flight training. "The Academy" to me means Air Force Academy.

Yea sure, you can get a job as a flight crew at DC carriers right now, serving drinks.

Great I should be an FO by Aug if those numbers are true! (Sarcasm)

I wanna fly jets at 500hours too! Please Daddy can I!!!!! PLEASE!!!;)

I don't know which one is worse:
1) Their hiring update is that outdated.
2) You actually took the time to post it on this forum.

Stay professional!

I miss that place.....mmm maybe not!:rolleyes::D I do miss working in mx there though. Lots of freee flight time!:D

I have always been curious about why people have this train of thought. If it isn't OK to say "The Academy" when speaking of DCA, then why is it OK to say "The Academy" when talking about the Air Force Academy. Is West Point, VMI and others not an Academy? What makes the Air Force so Special to have reserved the right to be called The ONE AND ONLY "Academy?"

Just curious......

He didn't say it wasn't ok for others to call it the academy - he just said that TO HIM it means the AF Academy.
To me - though not a graduate - I think of the United States Naval Academy ;)
Btw - isn't VMI an 'Institute'? :D

USMCFLYR

The 'academy' is just a nickname. The US military institutions are all highly regarded, prestigous institutions that are selective, and very challenging. Delta Connection Academy is a puppy mill, that will guarantee you any pilot certificate as long as you can pay their bills. DCA is anything but an 'academy'. They dont update their hiring news for a reason, because they will blatently lie to keep their students coming and pumping in those horrid amounts of money.

You wanna talk about safety, lets talk about a pilot getting a job at a regional after getting all their certificates in 90 days. Great concept! Flying is kewl!

Academy doesn't work that way, but I agree..90 day zero to hero's are useless and don't belong in the industry.

The Air Force Academy does not do flight training... they do screening for potential Undergraduate Pilot Trainees that learn to fly after their time at the Air Force Academy.

I've NEVER heard of anyone getting all of their certificates and flight time to meet most regional requirements in just 90 days, that's the exception... not the norm.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the USAF Academy does screening for potential USAF OFFICERS - some of those just happen to go on to UPT?

USMCFLYR

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the USAF Academy does screening for potential USAF OFFICERS - some of those just happen to go on to UPT?

USMCFLYR


Sure YOU could, but I didn' say that - I was implying that the "flight training" that is being done there is screening for UPT (for those that want to be pilots). I wasn't including ALL USAFA Cadets, just the one's that want to attend UPT. Does that make sense?

Sorry...guess I'm just part of the Officer first crowd. I've always been told (and yes I do believe it) that the academies (and other commissioning programs) were screening for officers.

USMCFLYR

That's very respectable! I spent almost a decade as a USAF Officer myself.

Thank you for serving!

There are many institutions, even in other industries, that are referred to as "The Academy". So no, not even the AF academy has an exclusive claim to that term, no more than DCA, FlightSafety or anyone else.

Academy
 

Didn't Plato start "the Academy" in 387 BC? So that is the original... all the others must clarify! ;)

This is my "Academy":D
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1474/71bs.jpg

TurboDog,

You are correct that DCA can be defined as meeting the definition of an "Academy", ie:
1.a secondary or high school, esp. a private one.
2.a school or college for special instruction or training in a subject: a military academy.
3.an association or institution for the advancement of art, literature, or science:the National Academy of Sciences
4.a group of authorities and leaders in a field of scholarship, art, etc., who are often permitted to dictate standards, prescribe methods, and criticize new ideas.

However, many professional pilots, both military and civilian, will assume that you went to a U.S. Military Academy if you say that you went to "The Academy." Many military personnel commonly refer to the US Military Academy as "West Point", the US Naval Academy as "Annapolis" and The US Air Force Academy simply as "The Academy".

Also, to compare DCA to one of the military academies is truly comparing apples to oranges. The purpose of the US Military Academies, as USMCFLYR has pointed out, is to develop and train military officers -- some of whom are fortunate enough to end up in military aviation. The military academies are 4 years long and lead to an accredited college bachelors degree with most graduates earning 160+ college credit hours in 4 grueling years; as compared to most civilian colleges where a bachelors degree only requires approx. 120 credit hours. It is only after that 4 year life altering experience that the lucky ones get the opportunity to go through a formal military flight training program leading to the award of US military pilot wings.

In a nutshell, to compare DCA flight training to any US military academy graduate who has then gone on to military flight school is a joke. You will have to learn to deal with the reality that the term "Academy" to a lot of people implies a graduate of one of the U.S. Military Academies.

Cheers!

Thunder1

Zapata-Nice! So an "Academy" is simply the place we learn our most important skills... you must have skills!

Actually, they do.

USAFA_Aircraft

Air Education and Training Command - 306FTG

DCA is not ATP... no 90 day program. It is about a 1.5yr program and then 1-2yrs as a CFI.

I still disagree to an extent. I don't think when graduates of DCA say that they went to "The Academy" that they are in any way comparing themselves to the product of another learning center. Also, it's not necessarily about defining what an Academy is made of.......It is the name of the school in Sanford, FL that trains airline pilots. I also don't think that calling DCA "The Academy" came from it's graduates. It comes from graduates flying with Captains or other pilots and the PIC asking where the SIC went to school. Most graduates of DCA say they went to school in Sanford, or down in Orlando. Very few actually say, I went to the Delta Connection Academy. Then the PIC or other pilot replies, "Oh, you went to The Academy" Most often times because they aren't well versed on the school and don't know any better.

It's all in a name as well. How many people do you know that went to "Ridddle?" Not Embry Riddle Aeronautical University, but "Riddle."

Basically I don't think it is wrong for the word "Academy" to be thrown around. It sounds like the problem lies with the guys who have graduated from one of the Military Academy's that dislike anyone else using the term, because they have dubbed it theirs. I respect all military personel and appreciate what they do for us, but I don't think they should get wrapped around the name.

What about people that have gone through the UTI program. Universal Technical Institute, or Marine Mechanics Institute? I don't hear VMI graduates complaining that UTI is not a real Institute, or that they are not worthy of using the name Institute because they aren't military.

Don't most police forces have "academies". At least they made a few movies about it. I went to the FAA Academy for ATC training. It was a royal pain in the *ss, but only 3 months long, and no marching or shooting. No breadth of education either.... strictly vocational training and screening for potential future ATC training.

Delta Academy...what a ripoff...a few years back (1997) I took ( and paid for) their evaluation on a King Air sim in order to apply to Allegheny and Mesaba. A few days later I started getting calls each day that Delta Connection wanted to hire me and for only $10K I could fly for them. After a month of these calls I called Mesaba and spoke with a guy named Fran....Delta Academy never sent them sh%t about me taking an evaluation. Did some more checking and Allegheny didn't get squat on me either!
After week 4 of calls to come fly for Comair and pay the $...I asked the guiy on the other end, "I have an ATP and am flying corporate why the hell would I want to give you $10K to pay for a seat. Besides why didn't you send my eval results to the other two airlines that I actually marked the boxes for..... His reply nothing but silence.

Actually, they do.

USAFA_Aircraft

Air Education and Training Command - 306FTG
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I stand corrected on the gliders. Do you get certified while doing it there? I understood that to be an extra-curricular activity... and not part of the evaluation on whether to send you to UPT - my bad, I'm not an Academy guy.

I second that, to me "The Academy" is the US Naval Academy. Also not a graduate.

academy
 

I went to DCA, never have I referred to it as the "academy"..by the way, that place was a great experience and great training but 40k for CMEL, CFI, CFII and housing for 9 months was the dumbest move I ever made.No degree, job offers for 10$ an hour, and 800hr dual given contract that takes 2 years to complete. I will be suffering for awhile and I paid less than half of what those other suckers paid for the full gig. Guess I need a "being 19 and ignorant as all get out" bailout!..

I have nearly the exact same sentiment. I didn't pay for housing though. I am kicking myself for not going to Epic in New Smyrna. That's was a good flight school for a FBO.

I also said [screw] when told I'd have to wait 5 months to get into the CFI new hire class. The attitude there is "you should be willing to give up everything for your dream career." Being a "CFI was just paying your dues. Its not pay, its a stipend." Oh man, when those words actually came out of the mouths of higher ups and repeated by some of the students, I nearly wanted to vomit.

Its not the training that bugs me there, its that attitude. Its a disease.

You hit the nail on the head.

Bingo! "Please check your ego in at the boarding door, you're not at DCA anymore!":D That place really does a decent job at inflating egos and entitlement.:rolleyes:

The "Real" Academy
 

You guys are all misinformed.

There is only one REAL academy.

Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

USMA = West Point
USNA = Annapolis
USAFA = Air Force Academy or just "the Academy", because "I learned to fly at the Springs" makes you sound like a toolbag.

But most Comair pilots didn't go to the above institutions. If a Comair guy tells me he went to "the academy", and he's slouching, I'll assume he means Comair Aviation Academy and then inquire further if there's any doubt.

And then there are the rare Comair pilots that can say "I learned to fly at the Academy" and be referring to more than one academy.

DCA = Ripoff
the guy i spoke to told me, don't even think about starting your training with out 100,000 on the account.

and a Dis-enrollment fee after finishing up training?

late show up fee / no show fee? gotta be kidding me