RAH considered XJT, EGL, CMR
 

What would be my seniority number if I was hired Nov 2000? What equipt/base could I hold?

just wondering.

Mesa would be a bargain but they owe about 500 million dollars.

you would be in the top 10-15% and assuming you wouldnt want PIT, you would probably be in the top 5 of any base. If you were at PIT, you would be in the top 15.

Considering the policies of the new administration, I wouldn't be surprised if the DOJ warned Republic of anti-trust concerns were they to pick up another carrier like Eagle or XJet.

I think I'd rather CMR be owned by RAH than Delta. Seeing what great things DL has done for us /:

huh??? anti-trust concerns? I dont follow you at all. it wouldnt be anywhere near a monopoly. There are way too many companies providing lift right now. They would be big but they wouldnt have the market cornered.

In the regional space, Republic would be in a strong, strong position. Of course that assumes they are even contemplating an addition like Eagle or XJet. I'm not sayig I would agree with the anti-trust position, but many of the same people who blocked the United/US Airways merger are back running the anti-trust division of the DOJ.

The reverend is not that brave! Unlike Frontier and/or Midwest, our contract specifically states that if we are bought or subject to a merger the seniority lists have to be merged. It doesn't matter who owns what, it doesn't matter if the other pilot group has a different union or non at all. For more info, please see "Skywest management gets their @sses handed to them by XJT pilot scope clause", there are a number of threads on it.

If there ever were any arguement before... there certainly can be none now...

Each and every pilot in the regional industry is GROSSLY underpaid, and suffering from terrible working conditions.... if a company like RAH can buy two large aircraft operators in one month, while openly looking to aquire more, then there is way way way way too much profit in this business model... a business model shared throughout the regional industry... low wages, poor work rules...

Profit is not a dirty word, and shareholders have the right to expect a return on their investments.... but the workers have the RIGHT to be treated fairly as well. In theory, these companies have all, (at one time or another) opened their books to the unions to show that there was NO money for raises or better working conditions... appraently, these were all lies.

Collectively, all employees at the regional level have been lied to about the profitability of their companies. If ANYBODY settles for less than MAJOR contract gains, then you all deserve what everybody else has been saying about regional workers over the years.

with the congessional hearings over pay, training, experience & duty times... and now with RAH going on a buying spree... there NEVER has been a better time for regional workers to improve their standing. Here's your shot folks; don't waste it.

And RAH has over 2 billion in debt. Granted they have much more cash which is the important thing.

I bet if Mesa ran an Embraer shop RAH would have bought them. I don't think they want to acquire any more CRJ products.

I don't think RAH wants any 50 seat lift as it's a dieing market. With Mesa they could more easily wait for them to go BK then use the Ejets of US Air.

After the F9 and Midwest debt hits your eyeballs will pop out.

The way I understood the F9 deal is it is a bankruptcy exit plan, so after the initial payoff there is no more debt (except what F9 has accumulated in operations during bankruptcy.) Debtors seem to be getting about 10 cents on the dollar if RAH's plan is approved.

That greatly depends on what's negotiated. RAH could absorb that.

Huge misconception! For companies like AA and CAL that have very strong scope language the 50 seat market is alive and kicking as they can't really expand into any other types. They can do props, but there's only so much and so many you can get. A prop can't efficiently fly into most markets in Mexico that both XJT and AE fly into. A prop is not really good for the long thin routes CAL uses the the XR's and some of the LR's on. So again, in absence of scope relaxation at either AA or CAL (and don't expect any!), the 50 seater is as good as it gets.

That doesn't mean it's not a dieing market. It means they don't have any other current options. The 50 seat market is still shrinking drastically.

The word is "dying", and as you mentioned because they don't have an option, the 50 seat market for both AA and CAL is not a "dying" breed, but rather a cheaper option than flying a mainline jet on most of those routes.

Thank God for scope at AA and CAL!

Maybe over all, its a shrinking market. But there will always be a market for them just as there will always be a market for 19 and 30 seat turboprops. The point I think he was trying to make is that considering AA and CALs scope (both pilot groups fighting to tighten it even more), 50 seat jets is the only option. This is probably the reason why RAH was even considering EGL and XJT, not to mention that CAL (and maybe to a lesser extent AA compared to the rest of the legacies at least) is a well positioned airline as well.

A) I did just realize I misspelled dying. Good call. Long day.

B) Didn't mean it was going away in it's entirety but don't expect any future growth. Only shrinking.

It really depends on many variables, and I'm not being "optimistic". CAL is one of those outfits as many of us know that loves to retain market share even during down times, and even if it means running an RJ half empty (instead of 737) as was the case post 9/11. Again, it depends on multiple factors, fuel cost, route structure, market share, and honestly I don't think any of us can predict when a type will go away, we could have more jets flying here in year or we could have less. As Nevets just said, there will always be a market for the 50 seat aircraft, it all just depends.

Not a chance in hell RAH would ever even consider Mesa..no matter the product they fly. An absolute disaster.

This statement is not true. I don't conisder myself underpaid let alone GROSSLY underpaid, but then again I have seniority which means eferything in pay and "working conditions".

10K/month+ while getting dollar for dollar match on a 401(k) which is good nowadays ANYWHERE, not to mention 14-18 dys off per month and I've not been junior manned in 10 years. There are HUNDREDS above me at Eagle in the same boat and I'm sure many of the other established RJ regionals have many captains with 10+ years and are pretty happy.

Again, it's probably true a technical MAJORITY are what you say, but the above statement isn't true.

Eaglefly- do u realize that you and the hundreds above u are the problem at the regional level? Regionals are not meant to make a career at. When the majors hire again are you going to go or u too comfy with ur gig? AMR and Delta are trying to get u guys to quit or move on by closing bases and offering early outs. There is nothing worse than seeing a crusty old captain at a regional. When movement starts u guys better start moving. If their not paying u guys 6 figures than maybe they can pay more to the majority ur talking about. Move on. If ur not moving forward you are moving backwards. Now, if the majors started hiring...

So then I take it the focus of Eagle ALPA will be the bad FO wages when the contract finally ends since you seem happy with your 145/700 rates? AMR has consistently gone after the 401k in the last two negotiating windows and I am sure they will go after it in the new contract. Good luck.

I disagree with this. Generally speaking, regionals are stepping stones, but some regionals offer a great qol and pay for senior captains. Who wouldn't be happy working 3 locals each week that pay 7 hours each, live in base and make well over 100k yr? Now, I myself would like to move on to greener pastures, but if I get stuck at a nice regional there sure are greater tragedies in the world than that.

When the majors start hiring, it's true, there will be many regional captains who will pass. They will be too entrenched in their current position. 99% of the guys I fly with have no plans of moving on. Majors will need to sweeten the deal or drop the pic requirement in order to fill seats when the next boom hits.

Move on to what? A 70K a year paycut, reserve on the other side of the country, work every weekend and holiday for years instead of having them off, missed birthdays. Move your family or commute. Maybe he could have gone to United last year and been laid off 6-9months later.

There isn't a job at Southwest waiting for everyone when they reach 1000PIC. Just what other wonderful opportunites have been out there in the last 8 years? Even if someone wanted to change airlines it probably isn't going to happen for 2-3 years.


You don't even work at an airline Husky, yet you offer career advice to pilots that have been in the industry since you were a little kid. You're in the pool at Eagle and think he should leave so you can have a job - nice entitlement attitude.

Here's the big hypocrisy that runs rampant on this board...Some pound the pulpit as it were, demanding that various pilot groups demand better pay and better work rules. Some demand that the RAH pilots be paid JetBlue rates (a "mainline" carrier) Others demand this happen and that happen, and so on. But what are you asking? You're asking for pilots to make their current company a company where one can comfortably live off his or her salary. THEN you pound on them for not using that company as a stepping stone...thats crazy. If the RAH guys and girls get this industry leading contract that many so desire. Why should they be criticized for being "regional lifers" Or any pilot group for that matter. We all claim that higher pay is the pinnacle of success, yet when an Eagle guys states that he make 10 gs a month, all of a sudden he's part of the problem? I think not. He is part of the solution.

You spend a lot of time in the regionals section.

You spend a lot of time on here period.

What are you my mom?