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Past V1 07-30-2009 03:32 AM

Pinnacle Safety Issues and the FAA
 
Evidently, yesterday the FAA ransacked a few of our aircraft and grounded them and 9e was not able to recover. The way the FAA did it was the ugly part. As the crew part the plane at the gate the FAA came on board and tore into the aircraft and the things they found were things you would not think of but since the FAA grounded these aircraft for these issues I believe that us pilots should do the same. In my opinion it is not worth having your certificate snatch for doing the company a favor...anyhow here are the issues they found...


1. Erosion of the Galley drain (on the forward part of the mast you will find the paint looking as if it has been chipped away)

2. Cracks in the Nav Light Cover (there are hairline cracks where the screws are in the plastic...they look like someone screwed the covet on too tight hence creating a crack right next or under the screw. They are very small...but evidently size does not matter to the FAA)

This is for the CRJ-200 series...I am not sure about the 900.

So everyone "fly safe" and don't risk anything!!!!!

If the plane has to be grounded...it has to be grounded!!!!

Past V1 07-30-2009 03:37 AM

Sorry about the spelling I am on my iPhone

higney85 07-30-2009 04:08 AM

If it makes you feel better I am on day 3 of a 4-day. Day 1 and 2 were full of cancellations- we grounded 2 planes for items that weren't even "hunt to find". Windshield seal blew off in flight, apu lcv valve wouldn't close.... Living the dream... Let's see what happens today!

BoilerUP 07-30-2009 04:51 AM

Its kinda sad to see how the CRJ2 is such a disposable airplane.

Guess that's what Bombardier gets for selling a converted bizjet that wasn't designed to take the beating of 5-10 cycles per day...

HIREME 07-30-2009 05:37 AM

Wonder who we've offended or what we've done to tick off the FAA. I can see the Nav. Lt. covers...if they blow off, I'm sure it changes areodynamics a bit... but the paint on a drain mast?! are you kidding me?!

John Pennekamp 07-30-2009 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 653267)
Its kinda sad to see how the CRJ2 is such a disposable airplane.

Guess that's what Bombardier gets for selling a converted bizjet that wasn't designed to take the beating of 5-10 cycles per day...

Amen!!!!!!!!!

John Pennekamp 07-30-2009 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 653281)
Wonder who we've offended or what we've done to tick off the FAA. I can see the Nav. Lt. covers...if they blow off, I'm sure it changes areodynamics a bit... but the paint on a drain mast?! are you kidding me?!

One word... Colgan. Two words... public perception. Three words... knee jerk reaction

Normy! 07-30-2009 06:56 AM

My neighbor flies for Pinnacle; he told me that not only are they looking at nav light lenses, but they are all over people about having reading material in their kit bags! Apparently, the FAA is going to violate people for having magazines in the cockpit.

Good grief, what's next?

BoilerUP 07-30-2009 06:58 AM

What right does an ASI have to search your flight bag?!?

SrfNFly227 07-30-2009 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 653245)
2. Cracks in the Nav Light Cover (there are hairline cracks where the screws are in the plastic...they look like someone screwed the covet on too tight hence creating a crack right next or under the screw. They are very small...but evidently size does not matter to the FAA)

I was actually going to post up a question about this today. I had a plane for a highspeed last night that had cracks around a screw in the FO side nav cover. It was DI'd. I had heard that it was a groundable item. What's the truth about this write up???

Justdoinmyjob 07-30-2009 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Normy! (Post 653321)
, but they are all over people about having reading material in their kit bags! Apparently, the FAA is going to violate people for having magazines in the cockpit.

That depends on what your company says about it. At SJI, the FOM says you can't have reading material out, but you are not prohibited from having it in your bag. Don't see how the FAA can violate you for being in compliance with an FAA approved document.

flyths1 07-30-2009 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 653245)
Evidently, yesterday the FAA ransacked a few of our aircraft and grounded them and 9e was not able to recover. The way the FAA did it was the ugly part. As the crew part the plane at the gate the FAA came on board and tore into the aircraft and the things they found were things you would not think of but since the FAA grounded these aircraft for these issues I believe that us pilots should do the same. In my opinion it is not worth having your certificate snatch for doing the company a favor...anyhow here are the issues they found...


1. Erosion of the Galley drain (on the forward part of the mast you will find the paint looking as if it has been chipped away)

2. Cracks in the Nav Light Cover (there are hairline cracks where the screws are in the plastic...they look like someone screwed the covet on too tight hence creating a crack right next or under the screw. They are very small...but evidently size does not matter to the FAA)

This is for the CRJ-200 series...I am not sure about the 900.

So everyone "fly safe" and don't risk anything!!!!!

If the plane has to be grounded...it has to be grounded!!!!


Uncle Phil and Krusty Clive can only PINCH-A-NICKEL so long before it is time to pay the piper......I heard rumors that about 6 FEDS were in SOC this afternoon and took some stuff out of the place.

Remember it is about SAFETY FIRST at 9E that is after you take completion factor and profit in to count.Simply The Best.

rickair7777 07-30-2009 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Normy! (Post 653321)
My neighbor flies for Pinnacle; he told me that not only are they looking at nav light lenses, but they are all over people about having reading material in their kit bags! Apparently, the FAA is going to violate people for having magazines in the cockpit.

Good grief, what's next?

Not gonna happen...there is no FAR that says you cannot possess reading material in the cockpit. There's not even even a grey area on that.

You are allowed to read anything you want when the airplane is not moving. There are very few things which the FARs say you cannot possess in the cockpit...a weapon is the only thing I can think of, and even that does not apply to everyone. Porno, Booze (unopened), iPod, laptop, DVD's...all good.

mooney 07-30-2009 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by flyths1 (Post 653704)
.....I heard rumors that about 6 FEDS were in SOC this afternoon and took some stuff out of the place.


so THAT explains why, for the first time in my career here, dispatch not only answered all of my ACARS to them, but did so in less that 5 minutes each time.....BRILLIANT!

mooney 07-30-2009 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 653250)
If it makes you feel better I am on day 3 of a 4-day. Day 1 and 2 were full of cancellations- we grounded 2 planes for items that weren't even "hunt to find". Windshield seal blew off in flight, apu lcv valve wouldn't close.... Living the dream... Let's see what happens today!

count me in I grounded one at an outstation for 24+ hours.......or i should say the plane grounded itsself....i just happened to call mtx and write it up

aviatorpr 07-30-2009 07:44 PM

This isnt the first time i've heard them taking issue with microscopic cracks in the nav light covers but a drain cover...just go sit in on a ground school class, that is more concerning.

John Pennekamp 07-31-2009 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Normy! (Post 653321)
My neighbor flies for Pinnacle; he told me that not only are they looking at nav light lenses, but they are all over people about having reading material in their kit bags! Apparently, the FAA is going to violate people for having magazines in the cockpit.

Good grief, what's next?

*Raising the BS flag*

Tell Mr Big Shot, "Here to Help You" FAA inspector that the reading material in your bag is for your three hour break at an outstation. Now if you read it in flight in front of him, you get what you deserve for being stupid.


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