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Luv2Rotate 08-05-2009 05:19 PM

Do you see this changing the 135 world as well??? Most of you know how abused those poor SOB's are.

BobBinkie 08-05-2009 05:21 PM

It's time for labor to think big picture. We need to have union reps from all the airline's carriers sitting in on negotiations as a group. We need unity and the extra brain power. Most importantly we all need to be united. We should be working to raise the standards and coordinating this between the union groups. Stop the whipsawing. It's in no one's favor except management.

Wheels up 08-05-2009 05:27 PM

There's a lot of cheap talk coming out of this guy and out of both sides of his mouth. Lots of "code words" in there. I think he's nothing but an ATA shill.

He's going make a few minor changes, then call them "tough changes" and make a big deal out of it to the press, which will buy it hook line and sinker (because they're stupid). The industry will complain publically, while they crack open the champagne bottles at having coop'd another FAA administrator.

My favorite part is the "mentoring." He wants underpaid and overworked experienced airline pilots to make up for the shoddy cheap training that airline managements supply to gravely inexperienced pilots and the FAA approves. You watch, NO change requiring an ATP to fly an airliner. This guy's an idiot.

shimmydamp 08-05-2009 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 656952)
There's a lot of cheap talk coming out of this guy and out of both sides of his mouth. Lots of "code words" in there. I think he's nothing but an ATA shill.

He's going make a few minor changes, then call them "tough changes" and make a big deal out of it to the press, which will buy it hook line and sinker (because they're stupid). The industry will complain publically, while they crack open the champagne bottles at having coop'd another FAA administrator.

My favorite part is the "mentoring." He wants underpaid and overworked experienced airline pilots to make up for the shoddy cheap training that airline managements supply to gravely inexperienced pilots and the FAA approves. You watch, NO change requiring an ATP to fly an airliner. This guy's an idiot.

The man has been at the helm for less than 3 months and you've already deemed him an ATA shill. Do you realize he's the former president of ALPA?

seafeye 08-05-2009 06:48 PM

Safety is just a word the airlines use to put people at rest. We have no saftey programs and managment/scheduling/dispatch couldn't care less about safety as long as the flights leave on time.
On time performance is what they really care about. "Safety" its just a word.

HermannGraf 08-05-2009 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 656993)
Safety is just a word the airlines use to put people at rest. We have no saftey programs and managment/scheduling/dispatch couldn't care less about safety as long as the flights leave on time.
On time performance is what they really care about. "Safety" its just a word.



who do you work for?:confused:

that is not my experience at all.
We take a delay in the name of safety anyday if we have to. It is all up to the PIC but to be frank we rarely need to delay because of something having to do with safety.

Most delays has to do with bags, ground crew, passenger handling, etc...nothing related to safety..........

hmmm..........so that is why the numbers are so high for some regionals:rolleyes:

dontsurf 08-05-2009 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 656993)
We have no saftey programs and managment/scheduling/dispatch couldn't care less about safety as long as the flights leave on time.

um, yeah...who do you work for again? so i can remember to never fly on your airline?

i fly at a regional airline and we have a great safety department and safety is absolutely #1. it's not just a word, it's the whole name of the game.

shfo 08-05-2009 07:06 PM

But they really are stepping up the FAA line checks on these inexperienced crews. We had a FED have the audacity to talk down to one of our "inexperienced" crews that had 25,000 hours and 30 years of company time between the two of them.

Nevets 08-05-2009 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 657000)
um, yeah...who do you work for again? so i can remember to never fly on your airline?

i fly at a regional airline and we have a great safety department and safety is absolutely #1. it's not just a word, it's the whole name of the game.

Does your airline have FOQA and an ASAP that is enforced through and MOU?

Wheels up 08-05-2009 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by shimmydamp (Post 656979)
The man has been at the helm for less than 3 months and you've already deemed him an ATA shill. Do you realize he's the former president of ALPA?

Yes, I know he's a former president of ALPA. And look where ALPA is now. Presides over mostly a bunch of lapdog major airline MECs working for a fraction of what they should be making and a bunch of commuter guys making even less proportionally. Don't bring ALPA into it. I got little respect for them either.

The proof will be in Mr. Babbitt's actions. His words are already starting to telegraph the snow job that's coming. It's not about safety. It's about money.


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